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New On a bike, if you're leaning you're steering
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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New Not if you counter by actually *steering* the other way.
New Ever ridden a bike?
It's called "counter steering". If you want to turn left, you steer to the right, which will lean the bike over to the left. I don't care where the wheels are pointing, a bike will go in the direction it's leaning.

If you doubt this, picture the contact points of the tires and the location of the center of mass. If the center of mass is to the left of the contact points, that's where the bike will go.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
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     Hayabusa motored VW Golf... wow. - (folkert) - (21)
         Pretty darned zippy! -NT - (bepatient)
         reminds me of legend racing - (boxley)
         Dodge Tomahawk: Viper V-10 engined Motorcycle. 368 kB. - (Another Scott) - (18)
             How would it have torque steer? - (pwhysall) - (17)
                 Monster-motored personal vehicles are silly. - (Another Scott) - (16)
                     Nope - (drewk) - (15)
                         "Torque lean", "Counter-torque lean", something like that? -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             On a bike, if you're leaning you're steering -NT - (drewk) - (2)
                                 Not if you counter by actually *steering* the other way. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     Ever ridden a bike? - (drewk)
                         That's every BMW ever, then. - (pwhysall) - (10)
                             Moto Guzzi, Gold Wing, (old) Indian, that big new Triumph... -NT - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                 How does that work, then? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     No; just that like BMWs, they have longitudinal crankshafts - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                         gotcha, thanks - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             Yeah, of course; they should never have started using it. -NT - (CRConrad)
                             The driveshaft on the K100 is more than twice as long - (drewk) - (4)
                                 What would the LENGTH of the shaft have to do with anything? - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                     Now exactly where is this conversation headed? -NT - (bepatient)
                                     Yes, I'd guess more than twice the mass -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                         Not particularly. - (folkert)

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