Post #281,826
4/14/07 7:26:18 PM
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As long as we're firing Imus
Here's a followup [link|http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120010|list].
And there's always Ann Coulter. Why does she get a pass?
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,828
4/14/07 7:39:24 PM
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Yawn
How many out of context quotes can you squeeze in one article.
And Rosie fat jokes get an immediate pass.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,842
4/14/07 11:07:42 PM
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How much context do you need for
"Mohammed is a rag picker" to become inoffensive?
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,845
4/15/07 12:12:13 AM
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One out of how many?
Seems to me the author is stretching here to try and make some kind of point. And doing very badly I might add.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,846
4/15/07 3:26:25 AM
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Plenty more in there
Micheal Savage for instance out offends Imus on any given day.
Point being - if we're gonna clean up the airwaves, lets clean up the air waves.
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,859
4/15/07 8:09:29 AM
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I dunno...
There should be a difference between what's: in poor taste, repulsive, juvenile, and to be shunned; and what's illegal. Too often some people who don't like something want to make it illegal. We do too much of that as it is.
If decency standards are to be imposed on over-the-air broadcasts, why not on satellite broadcasts? Why not on cable TV? Why not on Internet radio, podcasts, and blogs? Yes, there are historical reasons (limited radio bandwidth, etc.), but one could argue that the Internet was founded by US Government investment so it has an interest in keeping it "decent" too. I don't think it's a good argument, but it is one that could be made. Stuff like this is usually like squeezing a fist full of Jello - if you compress it in one place with decency standards and the like, it will just come out somewhere else.
Even if [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imus_in_the_Morning|1.6 M people] listened to Imus every week, that's less than 1% of the country. It seems to me the market was working. As long as he's not advocating violence, conspiracy theories meant to incite people, or other things that are obviously immediately harmful to society, then there should be a pretty high threshold for the government to get involved in his content. The rest of us need to do 2 things if "entertainers" bother us: 1) write them and their management and tell them that we don't like it; 2) don't patronize them or their advertisers and let them know why. Other than that, I'm not sure that much more needs to be done in most circumstances.
Driving Coulter and the like off the air would just make her more of a celebrity in her circle. Let her rant in her corner of the world, and you write scathing rebuttals if you're so inclined. But let's not get the government involved just yet.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who thinks it's rather sad that Imus and the Duke lacrosse team are such big stories when so many more important things get short shrift. Maybe I'll write my local TV stations...)
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Post #281,844
4/14/07 11:51:12 PM
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For one thing, Ann Coulter has God on her side!
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #281,854
4/15/07 6:34:36 AM
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Too many candidates for any legal process, methinks.
W've always been a crass, insolent and iggerant culture.
Of course, modrin meeja expands the multiplication via 'selection for grossitude' / feeds the nasty cops-inaction shows and other -- Jerry Springer epitomizes our race to the bottom.
Are we there, yet?
(I don't see how civility could be pumped into the current rotting corpse: the corpse would get its own show with close-ups of the maggots! - and Someone Would buy ad space: it would be Popular. On HDTV with Dolby.)
Coming Sweeps week!
Murican Maggots Live!! in 3-D
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Post #281,861
4/15/07 9:26:26 AM
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Umm... WE didn't fire Imus
The stations that carried him, fired him because his gaffe cost them advertisers. It was strictly a business decision. In the same vein, please feel free to boycott the companies who dropped their adds because of Imus, should you wish to support him. If enough people do this, he will undoubtedly be rehired. I couldn't be bothered, personally. I refuse to go out of my way to support public stupidity.
That said, PLEASE, let's NOT clean up the airways. Between the authoritarian right ("We know what god wants you to do/think/say/listen to/watch") and the overly helpful left ("But what about the CHILDREN??!! Think of what they could see or hear), the airways would be too bland to bother with. It's about time to tell Mrs. Grundy to piss off.
my 0.02...
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Post #281,862
4/15/07 9:40:48 AM
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interesting why isnt randi rhodes or al franken on that list
both have used language much more inflamatory than nappy headed ho's, you think the author may have an agenda?
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,864
4/15/07 9:44:28 AM
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Impossible!
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Post #281,874
4/15/07 12:50:59 PM
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Because they aren't offensive
only conservative talk show hosts are offensive:-)
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,884
4/15/07 1:59:22 PM
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Cite something
Franken is definitely not an attack artist - it isn't in his character as far as I can see.
Randi just gets worked up, but she doesn't generally seem wrong and I haven't heard any cheap shots and I do listen regularly.
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,887
4/15/07 2:05:13 PM
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wanted bush and cheney assasinated
wanted to thank the last 12 men that raped her rather than thank rumsfeld. Dont get me wrong I love listening to randi, wish I could get her locally. When I was in west palm I cought her show daily. She is much more "offensive" than imus if scorn, irony and sarcasm is now deemed offensive.
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,892
4/15/07 2:12:12 PM
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Franken on same topic
"I just want to go on record as saying that you should never, ever, execute a sitting president".
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,897
4/15/07 3:02:40 PM
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Re: sitting?
On TV, I mostly see him standing. :)
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #281,949
4/15/07 11:01:26 PM
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He's just trying to look like he's above everybody else
We posture as apostles of fair play, as good sportsmen, as professional knights-errant-- and we throw beer bottles at the umpire when he refuses to cheat for our side...We save the black-and-tan republics from their native [statesmen]--and flood them with "deserving" democrats of our own. We deafen the world with our whoops for liberty--and submit to laws that destroy our most sacred rights...We play policeman and Sunday-school superintendent to half of Christendom--and lynch a darky every two days in our own backyard.
H.L. Mencken, 1914
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Post #281,906
4/15/07 5:17:49 PM
4/15/07 5:18:12 PM
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No she wondered why his father didn't want him rubbed out
because he was as competent as Fredo. You also never hear an apology like this out of any of the people on the list above: "[My apology] is sincere. I feel bad that anybody would feel threatened by comedy. That's one thing, but I also feel bad that it wasn't funny. And I also feel bad that there could be a perception that I would be advocating violence against anybody, let alone the president of the United States of America. It's no secret that I think he's a terrible president, but I don't think that anybody should have violence advocated against them in any way, shape or form ever! ... That [skit] will never see the light of day again. It was bad." [link|http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44025|http://www.worldnetd...?ARTICLE_ID=44025] Bill you seem to like her more than I do, but I think you are giving a slightly skewed impression of her. I prefer listening to Ed Schultz. Seamus
Edited by Seamus
April 15, 2007, 05:18:12 PM EDT
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Post #281,907
4/15/07 5:23:22 PM
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I havnt heard her much in the past 3 years
When I lived in west palm beach I listened daily. She has a great delivery stype and is extremely sharp. If it wasnt for her there would not have been any florida recount battle in 2000, she started the whole thing with her show at 3 pm day of the election and was able to get leiberman on the air immediately to listen to the callers who had problems with the ballot. That was the day I voted for dogcatcher and no other race.
thanx,
bill
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Post #281,914
4/15/07 6:00:25 PM
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I have a love hate relationship with her show
I enjoy her show but I find I get too agitated when I listen to her. There is also something about her voice that is just a tad bit too shrill for me. Her intros and skits push the limit for me.
I wasn't aware of her role in 2000, I wasn't listening to her then.
Seamus
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Post #281,895
4/15/07 2:32:36 PM
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Re: Cite something
what about the "shameless dicks" comments that seem to have everyone in MN up in arms?
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #281,905
4/15/07 5:11:27 PM
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That was from a book
Seamus
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Post #282,023
4/16/07 3:15:06 PM
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links would be appreciated
Since many of those mentioned in this thread are not available over the public airwaves where I'm at, seeing a record of what they said would go a long way in proving your point.
lincoln
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Post #282,257
4/18/07 7:14:16 AM
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Relatedly - - Wynton Marsalis on 'ghetto minstrelsy'
[link|http://www.salon.com/ent/audiofile/2007/04/17/marsalis_davis/index.html?source=newsletter| Salon]. Francis Davis takes on Wynton Marsalis
[link|http://www.wyntonmarsalis.com/| Wynton Marsalis] was ahead of the game. The jazz trumpeter's most recent album, "From the Plantation to the Penitentiary," released in March, confronted many of the same issues now being raised in the wake of the Don Imus controversy. On the album, Marsalis, long an outspoken critic of rap music and hip-hop culture, includes lyrics critical of the music he has [link|http://music.guardian.co.uk/jazz/story/0,,2024165,00.html| denounced] as "ghetto minstrelsy." Considering how the album's themes have reappeared in the public eye, author Francis Davis' take on "Plantation" in the new issue of the Village Voice -- a month after the album's release -- feels like it has arrived right on time. Part of the review is excerpted below. You can read the whole thing [link|http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0716,davis,76365,22.html| here].
"By virtue of being so closely identified with jazz -- which most kids think of as a safe haven for burned-out swells in suits and ties -- the one area in which Marsalis truly remains an outsider is contemporary popular culture. On 'From the Plantation to the Penitentiary,' he branches into social criticism. That's the hype, anyway, though in proselytizing for jazz, when has he ever held back from taking swipes at the infantization of pop and black self-stereotyping in the name of keeping it real? He's just more specific here, making his debut as a lyricist and rapper (the latter thankfully only on the closing 'Where Y'All At?') to call out 'thug-life coons' and their white 'safari seekers,' 'raggly public schools,' rampant materialism, the burgeoning prison industry, '60s radicals who 'started like Eldridge and [wound up] like Beaver,' and hip-hop's 'modern-day minstrels and their songless tunes.'"
-- David Marchese
Surely.. virtuoso brass players develop better functioning little-grey-cells. Evidently..
You Go, Wynton -->
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