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New Was it a consensus?
At least similar in numbers to the current consensus?
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New Consensus?
Current situation is a mob. Scientists that disagree now don't say anything.
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New Snort.
Try again.
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New Really?
And what is happening in this very thread. A scientist writes an article critical of the science. Immediate response is he is being paid by the "other side". (BURN HIM! HERETIC!).

Why do you think I posted it under that title.

And somehow, the big oil money is more corrupting than the global warming money, right? Just like al gore telling congress that man made co2 is worse than volcanic co2 because volcanic co2 is "heavier". Want to explain that chemistry to me?

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New Re: Consensus?
Current situation is a mob. Scientists that disagree now don't say anything.

That must be why we look in vain for any dissenting voices in the oncology journals raised against the "smoking causes cancer' hysteria. Ayup, honest scientists who know better are afraid of mob violence from their fellows.

Pathetic, beep.
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New Science isn't about consensus.
But this goes beyond the pale:

[link|http://newsbusters.org/node/8249|http://newsbusters.org/node/8249]

Followup article (that is sane):

[link|http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1782/|http://www.spiked-on...ite/article/1782/]


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New Disagreeing scientists cry "We're being censored!"

The drafting of reports by the world's pre-eminent group of climate scientists is an odd process. For months scientists contributing to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change tussle over the evidence. Nothing gets published unless it achieves consensus. This means that the panel's reports are conservative - even timid. It also means that they are as trustworthy as a scientific document can be.

Then, when all is settled among the scientists, the politicians sweep in and seek to excise from the summaries anything that threatens their interests.

The scientists fight back, but they always have to make concessions. The report released on Friday, for example, was shorn of the warning that "North America is expected to experience locally severe economic damage, plus substantial ecosystem, social and cultural disruption from climate change related events".

This is the opposite of the story endlessly repeated in the rightwing press: that the IPCC, in collusion with governments, is conspiring to exaggerate the science. No one explains why governments should seek to amplify their own failures. In the wacky world of the climate conspiracists no explanations are required. The world's most conservative scientific body has somehow been transformed into a conspiracy of screaming demagogues.

This is just one aspect of a story that is endlessly told the wrong way round. In the Sunday Telegraph and the Daily Mail, in columns by Dominic Lawson, Tom Utley and Janet Daley, the allegation is repeated that climate scientists and environmentalists are trying to "shut down debate". Those who say that man-made global warming is not taking place, they claim, are being censored.

Something is missing from their accusations: a single valid example.
The closest any of them have been able to get is two letters sent - by the Royal Society and by the US senators Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe - to that delicate flower ExxonMobil, asking that it cease funding lobbyists who deliberately distort climate science. These correspondents had no power to enforce their wishes. They were merely urging Exxon to change its practices. If everyone who urges is a censor, then the comment pages of the newspapers must be closed in the name of free speech.

[link|http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2053519,00.html|source]

The article gives several examples of the political pressure and censorship used on those who support the viewpoint that mankind has some responsibility for global warming .
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     Another heretic - (bepatient) - (37)
         check the science forum :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4)
             Better place for it. -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
                 And Lindzen's science credientials are? - (Silverlock) - (2)
                     WTF? didja even read the article? - (boxley) - (1)
                         Didja read the rest ofthe thread? -NT - (Silverlock)
         golly, beep - (rcareaga) - (30)
             See? Heretic! - (bepatient) - (26)
                 *You* remember the great "global cooling" hysteria... - (rcareaga) - (25)
                     Let me see, lets draw some comparisons - (bepatient) - (23)
                         Was it a consensus? - (Silverlock) - (6)
                             Consensus? - (bepatient) - (5)
                                 Snort. - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                     Really? - (bepatient)
                                 Re: Consensus? - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     Science isn't about consensus. - (pwhysall)
                                 Disagreeing scientists cry "We're being censored!" - (lincoln)
                         I call bullshit - (rcareaga) - (9)
                             Why of course you do, you're brainswashed just like me. - (bepatient) - (8)
                                 And the reason cooling hasn't happened? - (imric) - (3)
                                     You've got one point in there. - (bepatient) - (2)
                                         Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             Rain Forest - (bepatient)
                                 your reading comprehension sucks - (rcareaga) - (3)
                                     So, this means... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                         *all* those scientists? - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                             The ones in the National Academy of Sciences? - (bepatient)
                         now you sound like My Gramma / Earl Warren Must Be Impeached - (Ashton) - (5)
                             The Point Is Being Missed - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 Heretic -NT - (bepatient) - (2)
                                     you know he will start fag bashing and supporting israel -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                         among other things. -NT - (bepatient)
                                 It may soon be academic anyway. - (Another Scott)
                     "Global cooling" strengthens human-induced warming theory... - (GBert)
             Decent investigative work there, R.C. -NT - (lincoln) - (2)
                 So anyone who can be shown to receive money from oil company - (bepatient) - (1)
                     I'm not saying that - (lincoln)
         On the other hand... - (a6l6e6x)

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