A better comparison

Post #281,106 by Seamus 4/9/07 6:23:29 PM Reply	A better comparison is to compare the Clinton administration's reaction to Bush's reaction. I don't think they are in the same league. Seamus
Post #281,109 by bepatient 4/9/07 6:37:25 PM Reply	Don't know my point is very plainly that the semtiment expressed in the link to the Salon article is idiotic. Why didn't the Republican's bitch when a Republican went on a trip during a Dem presidency? Where were they then? Puh-freakin-leez Of course they didn't say anything. But, of course, say anything around here that even remotely looks like it could be possible to be construed as pro-repo and (in true x-ian fashion) the cross is thrown on the back and its off to the crucifiction. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,111 by Seamus 4/9/07 7:06:48 PM Reply	Not idiotic at all Personally, I wouldn't call it idiotic to point out that by the criteria the repos are using now they should have criticized Gingrich back then also. He is pointing out that if it is a grave error now, it should have been a grave error then, no matter who made it. Pointing that out it is obviously about their hypocrisy today. Of course they didn't say anything back then? Not only didn't they criticize the trip, they praised Gringrich for it. How do you go from praising Gringrich to condemning Pelosi without changing your ethics? That is the point of the article, and certainly is not idiotic. One republican had the stones to say the criticism of the Pelosi trip was BS. Seamus
Post #281,128 by bepatient 4/9/07 8:45:59 PM Reply	Yes it is Its politics. The Reps are gonna criticize the Dems for this, and IIRC the dems were critical when Newt did it last decade. Were they AS critical? Did Clinton say exactly the same thing as Bush? Who cares? To somehow think that it is hypocritical now that the Reps didn't say anything to Newt 10 years ago is mental masturbation at its finest. OF COURSE THEY didn't. He was on their side. Its politics. DUH! Of course the criticism is bs. Its politics. Synonyms. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,188 by Seamus 4/9/07 11:26:27 PM Reply	BS The repos are saying this is more than mere partisan politics. If that is true now, it was true then. Seamus
Post #281,195 by bepatient 4/10/07 12:38:12 AM Reply	What a shocker. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,209 by Seamus 4/10/07 7:23:40 AM Reply	Whatever Seamus
Post #281,232 by Seamus 4/10/07 12:36:45 PM Reply	I am probably gonna regret this To somehow think that it is hypocritical now that the Reps didn't say anything to Newt 10 years ago is mental masturbation at its finest. OF COURSE THEY didn't. He was on their side. Its politics. DUH! Occasionally politicians rise above partisan politics to criticize members of their own party, esp about foreign policy. They weren't just silent about it, they back him up because of what they felt was Clinton's diplomatic failings. The only reason they are taking the approach they are using now is because they don't want Bush's utterly massive failings with this fiasco that he wrought upon us to be criticized. To point out that the current criticism is hypocritical using reminders from the past is more than mere mental masturbation because of the seriousness of the mess Bush has put us in. It maybe naive to think it will work, but it is facile to think that this is mere politics. Seamus
Post #281,240 by bepatient 4/10/07 2:10:53 PM Reply	Its the very definition of politics Especially in the current environment. Any opening you have to blame the other side is leveraged to the hilt. Its is indeed a sad testimony of what our representative government has become. Even worse is I don't see anyone on either side that seems interested in changing it. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,285 by Seamus 4/10/07 5:23:12 PM Reply	Its not the only definition of politics It certainly is the default. Asking politicians to use a different definition maybe naive but it is not idiotic. I was going to use the tilting at wind mills line, but I didn't think people would sense the irony. Seamus
Post #281,287 by bepatient 4/10/07 6:18:52 PM Reply	Ok. Call me Imus I used too strong a statement. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,292 by Seamus 4/10/07 6:49:10 PM Reply	Imus you're not Seamus
Post #281,299 by bepatient 4/10/07 8:52:55 PM Reply	True, I'm not crusty, mean and loaded. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #281,311 by a6l6e6x 4/10/07 10:18:51 PM Reply	Re: "don't see anyone on either side that seems.. interested in changing it" Well, "the uniter" said he was going to change that. But he became "the decider" and lied about the first part! Alex When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
Post #281,338 by bepatient 4/11/07 8:03:11 AM Reply	Among other things. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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