Meh.

Post #277,031 by admin 12/30/06 11:57:25 PM Reply	Meh. Buys me a little over emacs + the Firefox web developer toolbar, but not much. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #277,041 by pwhysall 12/31/06 3:09:43 AM Reply	Here's what I really found useful (52K img) Gets me a whole lot. The x-ray debugger thing is fab for digging out what needs to be changed. [image\|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/css_debug.png\|\|\|\|] Pointclickdrooltastic! Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #277,068 by dws 12/31/06 4:38:36 PM Reply	A Web design friend raves about using it to debug "Hey, were'd that extra margin come from" can be a pisser to debug.
Post #277,078 by admin 12/31/06 6:33:22 PM Reply	Not sure what you're trying to show me there Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #277,083 by pwhysall 12/31/06 7:50:09 PM Reply	pointclickdrool Is what I'm trying to point out, and the DOM inspector/EMACS doesn't do that. Although the Firebug extension for Firefox is pretty neat. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #277,085 by ubernostrum 12/31/06 8:03:09 PM Reply	Firebug++ Also I'll second my suggestion from last night that you should get a WebKit nightly build and play with the new web inspector it has. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
Post #277,087 by admin 12/31/06 9:07:49 PM Reply	Buh? I'm not talking about the DOM Inspector. I'm talking about the Web Developer toolbar, and the Edit CSS feature. There are a number of other extensions that do similar things as well. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #277,090 by ubernostrum 12/31/06 10:07:03 PM Reply	Give Firebug a try. [link\|http://getfirebug.com/\|You can thank me later] :) --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
Post #277,093 by admin 12/31/06 11:36:08 PM 12/31/06 11:37:43 PM Reply	Why would I thank you later? I've been using it for months. ;-) Firebug is great for debugging AJAX too. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin Dec. 31, 2006, 11:37:43 PM EST Expand All History
Post #277,102 by static 1/1/07 2:39:01 AM Reply	How does it handle JS classes? I had a wierd problem with some AJAX-ified JavaScript a few months ago and got to the point of trying to see what I could see in Venkman. It couldn't see my class functions. :-O I eventually solved whatever problem it was another way, but still. Wade. For those who don't know, these are functions created as object elements, either directly with the object literal notation, or by assigning inline function declarations. I find they are great for namespace management. "Don't give up!" [link\|http://staticsan.livejournal.com/\|blog] · [link\|http://yceran.org/\|website]
Post #277,112 by admin 1/1/07 9:58:17 AM Reply	Haven't tried that. I was referring more to the AJAX request console, which shows you what gets POSTed and returned. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #277,152 by ubernostrum 1/1/07 7:26:42 PM Reply	How were they defined? Depending on exactly which syntax you use to define your functions, you can end up with their names not being visible to various debuggers. --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
Post #277,161 by static 1/1/07 8:58:46 PM Reply	Don't remember exactly. I know they weren't using the 'normal' `function name() { ... }` notation. I remember that because the page still had one or two functions like that and Venkman could see those. But it couldn't see functions defined like this: \nvar search_dropdown = {\n keyword: document.ticketsearch.search_keyword,\n list: {\n 'issue': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_issue,\n 'product': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_product,\n 'code': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_code\n },\n check: function(el) {\n this.keyword.style.display = 'none'\n for( other in this.list )\n this.list[other].style.display = 'none'\n if( el.value in this.list )\n this.list[el.value].style.display = 'inline'\n else\n this.keyword.style.display = 'inline'\n },\n set: function(el) {\n if( el.value in this.list )\n this.keyword.value = this.list[el.value].value\n }\n}\nsearch_dropdown.check(document.ticketsearch.search_where)\n Wade, whose just realized his style of JavaScript programming is being put on show... "Don't give up!" [link\|http://staticsan.livejournal.com/\|blog] · [link\|http://yceran.org/\|website]
Post #277,148 by tuberculosis 1/1/07 6:48:44 PM Reply	I was using it to debug some javascript and css and found the UI to be really confusing. So there's a little red ex and number in the corner, I click it, and all the panes are blanks. So where's the error? Fuck if I can tell what it is whinging about. It showed me a couple things, but it needs some work. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #277,153 by ubernostrum 1/1/07 7:27:34 PM Reply	Weird. It's always worked for me; you running an old version, or the current 1.0 beta? --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?

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