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New More on Prius economy
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Customers are reporting around-town MPG figures in mid-30s (despite the OBC giving mileage figures that are much better); this is very, very poor for a car that doesn't run its petrol engine at speeds under about 27MPH. This is what I was thinking of when I said that it's no better than my baby-seal-killing-krautwagen-glacier-melter.

A number of tests have produced MPG figures as high as 47MPG. Which is still shit when compared to a little diesel hatchback, like the [link|http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/peugeot-106-2002210.html|Peugeot 106 XT] - the 1.4 version does 76MPG.

Of course, the probability of selling a tiny diesel car to the American public is more-or-less zero.


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New Diesels are hot in the US right now.
My BIL just bought a used 2005 Jetta TDI wagon for $1k more than I paid for my new 2004 Jetta TDI wagon. He had to search around a lot for it - he's in Texas and the car was in Colorado. VW didn't make a 2007 TDI for the US due to recent changes in the fuel regulations and more stringent emissions regulations, but they'll have a new one out in calendar 2008. I'm sure they'll sell well. I'll bet an xB or xA sized car with a diesel would sell well too.

While it's very difficult to get close to 60 mpg with a Prius, people routinely report 50+ mpg. E.g. [link|http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2006/10/prius_mileage_1.html|here (in the comments)]. As with any car, the tires and how you drive are very important.

I can easily get 50 mph with my TDI on the highway (at 60 mph), and get 45-47 around town if I consistently baby the throttle and shift early. I usually get around 44 mpg.

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New That's changed, then
The general sense I get from the merkins on a motoring forum I frequent is that they all detest diesels with a passion.

One lives and learns!


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New You need to get out more.
;-)

[link|http://forums.tdiclub.com/|TDI Club Forums] has lots of enthusiastic participants.

Here's an indication from the press of how things have changed in the US WRT diesels:

Volkswagen's U.S. Diesel Sales Reached All-Time High in April
8 May 2006

[link|http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=aNgbm619GEbM|Bloomberg].

May 8 (Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen AG, Europe's largest carmaker, said its U.S. sales of cars with diesel engines reached a record 22 percent last month.

``We think the numbers reflect a growing awareness of the potential fuel savings diesel-powered vehicles offer and a growing acceptance of diesel in the U.S.,'' Steve Keyes, Volkswagen's U.S. communications chief, said in an interview on May 5.

Volkswagen is betting on increased diesel sales to help return the Wolfsburg, Germany-based carmaker to profit in the U.S., where the company posted losses the last three years. Volkswagen's overall sales in the U.S., the world's largest automobile market, last month rose 11 percent to 20,528 vehicles, with its market share gaining to 1.4 percent from 1.2 percent.

U.S. consumers are opting for diesel engines, which Volkswagen says are about 30 percent more fuel efficient than gasoline motors, as gasoline prices have surged. The average U.S. retail price rose to $2.92 a gallon last week, the highest since September and an increase of 13 percent from the beginning of April, according to Energy Department figures. The record was $3.07 in September.

``It's an interesting sign that U.S. consumers are starting to recognize the fuel efficiency and other benefits of diesel,'' said Adam Jonas, an analyst with Morgan Stanley in London with an ``overweight'' rating on Volkswagen shares. Diesel vehicles may be starting to ``get over the bad image they have in the U.S. from the '70s and '80s.''

Volkswagen's sharp increase last month follows a gradually rising trend for the carmaker in the U.S. Last year 14 percent of the Volkswagens sold in the U.S. had diesels, compared with 12 percent in each of the previous two years.

Diesel Models

Of the three models that Volkswagen sells in the U.S. with a diesel-engine option, the diesel versions accounted for 38 percent of Jetta purchases, 40 percent of New Beetle sales and 13 percent of Golf purchases. Diesel sales of the Golf were constrained by a dwindling supply before the coming switchover to a new version of the model, which is being renamed the Rabbit, Keyes said.

Diesel sales growth in the U.S. has been hindered in the past by a perception that diesels are dirty and noisy, and has tended to fluctuate with the rise and fall of gasoline prices.

``Now the market is feeling that these higher prices are here to stay, and diesel is a viable alternative,'' Keyes said. ``We're starting to approach sales numbers for diesel engines that was common in Europe a few years ago.''

The U.S. market share for diesel-powered cars and light trucks will almost quadruple by 2015 as automakers meet fuel-efficiency demands and as state emissions rules become uniform, J.D. Power & Associates forecast last month.

Diesel Sales

Diesel vehicles will account for 11.8 percent of U.S. sales by 2015, increasing from 3.2 percent last year, the marketing-research firm estimates. Worldwide share will rise during the same period to 34.2 percent from 24.7 percent in 2005, according to the study.

U.S. gasoline costs have risen as crude oil prices hover at historically high levels. Crude oil rose to a record $75.35 a barrel in New York April 21 on concern that shipments from Iran and Nigeria would be disrupted as the U.S. increases gasoline output for the summer driving season.

Since 2002, the cost of gasoline has risen to 3 percent of U.S. household budgets from 2 percent, according to the University of Michigan's Office for the Study of Automotive Transportation.

To contact the reporter on this story: Chad Thomas in Berlin at cthomas16@bloomberg.net .
Last Updated: May 8, 2006 09:19 EDT


TDIs aren't going to outsell the Camry any time soon, but they are becoming much more popular in the US.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Almost bought a Golf TDI
I was watching several Golf TDIs a few weeks ago, mostly becuase of your high praise of your Jetta. I was considering changing jobs that would entail a 40mi commmute each way. Decided that working from home was worth much more than the increase in salary, so decided to hang on to my old truck. I ride my motorcylcel alot - but it's been cold lately :)
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New :-) Good choice. Keep warm!
New detest all american built crap diesels maybe, diesels no
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