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New Please don't misrepresent what I said.
And I never said that anything HAS to fit into ANY particular framework.

That straw man is of your own making.

My point is, quite simply this:

Quantum Mind (and other woowoo/flimflam guffinations) are not scientific, and it's wrong to present them as such. Further, the woowooflimflam stuff has no credible evidence at all, your weaselling on chance and fraud notwithstanding.

If an event happens, and the two possible explanations are "chance" and "new phenomena that transcend all known laws of physics, but which mysteriously don't have much of an effect the rest of the time", you're damn right I'm going to call it chance, because the second answer requires extraordinary evidence, which quite simply never turns up.

All the other stuff about faith is irrelevant to my point.


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New Horse-
crap.

You have routinely mocked - in many posts in this thread - even the idea of the existance of anything paranormal because of the lack of scientific evidence.

And now you never said that to be real it has to fit into a scientific framework?

Well, I suppose that's almost sort of true. You never EXPLICITLY said that.

Quantum Mind (and other woowoo/flimflam guffinations) are not scientific, and it's wrong to present them as such. Further, the woowooflimflam stuff has no credible evidence at all

Which is why I brought up ST. ST is ALSO not scientific (at least in it's present form), and is DESIGNED to be untestable. It's just pretty math. DE is just another word for comostatic repulsion, and the only 'evidence' for it is as a bookkeeping trick to prop up current scientismic cosmological ideas. But both of those ideas are fashionable. They fit current scientismic dogma. The idea that you consider Quantum Mind to be a 'woowoo/flimflam guffination' for the same reasons that I disbelieve/dismiss ST & DE amuses me mightily.

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New Whatever.
You're wagging my dog with its tail.

The very concept of "quantum mind" - those very words - implies that the proponents of this woowoo idea want it to be taken seriously as a scientific concept. Why not just call it, oh, I dunno, "gestalt microbrainism" or "feng shite", or some such? Don't wheel out the maths unless you're going to play according to the scientific rules.

You're very excited about dark energy and string theory. That's good.

I particularly like the way you use two very hard concepts with oceans of ugly, difficult mathematics describing them to justify the woowoo-ism of quantum mind.

They might well be total bollocks. The bollockosity quotient of dark energy and string theory is in no way related to the bollockosity quotient of quantum mind.

It might well be that all three concepts are complete toss.

At the moment, however, it's much clearer that one of these three is much, much tossier than the others.



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New *chuckle* Justify Quantum Mind?
Hardly. When did I even attempt that?

And I really like that term: "bollockosity quotient".

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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Weird dupe, at that. Same post 4 minutes apart. I only hit save the once.


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Expand Edited by pwhysall Dec. 6, 2006, 01:17:36 PM EST
     slow sunday? how about a discussion of quantum metaphysics - (boxley) - (54)
         It's bollocks. -NT - (pwhysall) - (48)
             wassamatta u dont understand the math? -NT - (boxley) - (47)
                 There's nothing to understand. - (pwhysall) - (46)
                     ICLRPDx4 - (Steve Lowe)
                     Like string theory and dark energy - (imric) - (1)
                         Yes, exactly like those. - (pwhysall)
                     perhaps you missed a few things - (boxley) - (41)
                         Re: perhaps you missed a few things - (pwhysall) - (40)
                             Careful.. - (Ashton) - (39)
                                 some people dont grok uncertainty as certainty - (boxley)
                                 Oh please. - (pwhysall) - (35)
                                     so physics is wrong? energy dissapates? its not a constant? - (boxley) - (1)
                                         Cold fusion, eh? - (pwhysall)
                                     Spent a lot of time around Jesuits? - (Ashton) - (31)
                                         Re: Spent a lot of time around Jesuits? - (pwhysall) - (30)
                                             It's a Republican thing - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 Re: It's a Republican thing - (ubernostrum) - (1)
                                                     Agreeable.. - (Ashton)
                                             Science IS Philosophy. - (imric) - (26)
                                                 No it isn't. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                     Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy' - (imric) - (1)
                                                         Re: Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy' - (pwhysall)
                                                 You don't understand the scientific method... - (pwhysall) - (22)
                                                     question then - (boxley) - (12)
                                                         My stab at it. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                             since energy transforms rather than dissapate - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                 The field lines collapse... - (admin) - (1)
                                                                     no mystery, if thats the explaination - (boxley)
                                                         Odd question. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                             Agreed - - (imric)
                                                         Ah, geez. - (ubernostrum) - (5)
                                                             1/4 of an ounce, everybody knows that -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                 That's what, 50 bucks? -NT - (imric) - (3)
                                                                     Up here that'll run you at least 65$CDN - (jake123) - (2)
                                                                         is that for the good BC stuff or the ONT ragweed? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                             It's not ragweed anymore - (jake123)
                                                     Therefore, your PHILOSOPHY - (imric) - (8)
                                                         Please don't misrepresent what I said. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                             Horse- - (imric) - (4)
                                                                 Whatever. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                     *chuckle* Justify Quantum Mind? - (imric)
                                                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk)
                                                                 Dupe, ignore - (pwhysall)
                                                         I'm reminded of Willard Van Orman Quine - (ubernostrum) - (1)
                                                             omigawd___ the tragedy of psoriasis^h^h_ ab != ba -NT - (Ashton)
                                     Bzzzzzt - (drewk)
                                 Ooh! Me next! - (ubernostrum) - (1)
                                     Re: Ooh! Me next! - (Ashton)
                     Another article. - (Another Scott)
         It's a surd - (Ashton)
         See. - (ubernostrum) - (3)
             wassamtter you quit drinking ? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                 Nah. - (ubernostrum) - (1)
                     ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)

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