Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy'

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by imric

12/6/06 8:59:29 AM

Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy'

it's A philosophy...

Even in your definitions, Natural Philosophy (2) is more properly known as Physics...

I think Ashton is saying that there are many things that science can't explain. I think Peter is saying that a purported scientific proposition that cannot present an explanation that is supported by evidence is not, in fact, a scientific proposition. "It's bollocks."

In fact, what Peter said was that everything 'paranormal' has been 'found' to be either fraud or chance.

Now, I don't know about this instance of trying to fit 'paranormal' phenomena into a scientific framework, myself. But if he really meant "that a purported scientific proposition that cannot present an explanation that is supported by evidence is not, in fact, a scientific proposition "It's bollocks."" in general, he would HAVE to reject both 'dark energy' and string theory, and say that they are 'bollocks'.

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Post #274,952

by pwhysall

12/6/06 9:16:52 AM

Re: Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy'

In fact, what Peter said was that everything 'paranormal' has been 'found' to be either fraud or chance.

It has.

Now, I don't know about this instance of trying to fit 'paranormal' phenomena into a scientific framework, myself. But if he really meant "that a purported scientific proposition that cannot present an explanation that is supported by evidence is not, in fact, a scientific proposition "It's bollocks."" in general, he would HAVE to reject both 'dark energy' and string theory, and say that they are 'bollocks'.

No, I wouldn't. I'd call them "hypotheses", because that's what they are.

Get the difference? Dark energy and string theory may or may not be right. The scientific method of hypotheses-observation-evidence-GOTO 10 will either support or demolish them.

But there's a fuckload more convincing maths for either of those two ideas than there is for the half-baked gibberish that's summarised by the phrase "quantum mind".

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slow sunday? how about a discussion of quantum metaphysics - (boxley) - (54) - Dec. 3, 2006, 03:36:15 PM EST

It's bollocks. -NT - (pwhysall) - (48) - Dec. 3, 2006, 05:11:14 PM EST

wassamatta u dont understand the math? -NT - (boxley) - (47) - Dec. 3, 2006, 07:47:12 PM EST

There's nothing to understand. - (pwhysall) - (46) - Dec. 4, 2006, 01:50:11 AM EST

ICLRPDx4 - (Steve Lowe) - Dec. 4, 2006, 02:41:58 AM EST

Like string theory and dark energy - (imric) - (1) - Dec. 4, 2006, 06:53:58 AM EST

Yes, exactly like those. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 4, 2006, 07:06:33 AM EST

perhaps you missed a few things - (boxley) - (41) - Dec. 4, 2006, 09:06:17 AM EST

Re: perhaps you missed a few things - (pwhysall) - (40) - Dec. 4, 2006, 09:11:18 AM EST

Careful.. - (Ashton) - (39) - Dec. 4, 2006, 11:19:19 PM EST

some people dont grok uncertainty as certainty - (boxley) - Dec. 5, 2006, 12:05:06 AM EST

Oh please. - (pwhysall) - (35) - Dec. 5, 2006, 02:44:33 AM EST

so physics is wrong? energy dissapates? its not a constant? - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2006, 08:07:02 AM EST

Cold fusion, eh? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 5, 2006, 08:19:33 AM EST

Spent a lot of time around Jesuits? - (Ashton) - (31) - Dec. 5, 2006, 06:33:09 PM EST

Re: Spent a lot of time around Jesuits? - (pwhysall) - (30) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:21:45 AM EST

It's a Republican thing - (Ashton) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2006, 06:00:40 AM EST

Re: It's a Republican thing - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 12:32:34 PM EST

Agreeable.. - (Ashton) - Dec. 6, 2006, 06:10:51 PM EST

Science IS Philosophy. - (imric) - (26) - Dec. 6, 2006, 07:19:26 AM EST

No it isn't. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2006, 07:47:11 AM EST

Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy' - (imric) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 08:59:29 AM EST

Re: Good point. Science isn't 'Philosophy' - (pwhysall) - Dec. 6, 2006, 09:16:52 AM EST

You don't understand the scientific method... - (pwhysall) - (22) - Dec. 6, 2006, 09:14:01 AM EST

question then - (boxley) - (12) - Dec. 6, 2006, 09:42:16 AM EST

My stab at it. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Dec. 6, 2006, 10:05:22 AM EST

since energy transforms rather than dissapate - (boxley) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2006, 10:18:46 AM EST

The field lines collapse... - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 10:47:30 AM EST

no mystery, if thats the explaination - (boxley) - Dec. 6, 2006, 10:49:39 AM EST

Odd question. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 10:25:42 AM EST

Agreed - - (imric) - Dec. 6, 2006, 11:03:49 AM EST

Ah, geez. - (ubernostrum) - (5) - Dec. 6, 2006, 12:38:36 PM EST

1/4 of an ounce, everybody knows that -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:36:00 PM EST

That's what, 50 bucks? -NT - (imric) - (3) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:36:35 PM EST

Up here that'll run you at least 65$CDN - (jake123) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:38:31 PM EST

is that for the good BC stuff or the ONT ragweed? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 05:43:20 PM EST

It's not ragweed anymore - (jake123) - Dec. 6, 2006, 06:23:33 PM EST

Therefore, your PHILOSOPHY - (imric) - (8) - Dec. 6, 2006, 11:02:28 AM EST

Please don't misrepresent what I said. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Dec. 6, 2006, 12:03:32 PM EST

Horse- - (imric) - (4) - Dec. 6, 2006, 12:59:47 PM EST

Whatever. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:16:04 PM EST

*chuckle* Justify Quantum Mind? - (imric) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:24:16 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - Dec. 7, 2006, 12:00:05 AM EST

Dupe, ignore - (pwhysall) - Dec. 6, 2006, 01:17:36 PM EST

I'm reminded of Willard Van Orman Quine - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 12:41:01 PM EST

omigawd___ the tragedy of psoriasis^h^h_ ab != ba -NT - (Ashton) - Dec. 6, 2006, 06:33:01 PM EST

Bzzzzzt - (drewk) - Dec. 5, 2006, 09:34:42 PM EST

Ooh! Me next! - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Dec. 6, 2006, 02:07:54 AM EST

Re: Ooh! Me next! - (Ashton) - Dec. 6, 2006, 06:10:14 AM EST

Another article. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 5, 2006, 07:57:25 AM EST

It's a surd - (Ashton) - Dec. 4, 2006, 03:57:32 AM EST

See. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Dec. 5, 2006, 01:04:43 AM EST

wassamtter you quit drinking ? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Dec. 5, 2006, 08:07:51 AM EST

Nah. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Dec. 5, 2006, 03:24:03 PM EST

ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Dec. 5, 2006, 03:35:06 PM EST

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