Without verifiable paper trail and auditable machines...

Post #272,430 by Silverlock 11/6/06 4:40:47 PM Reply	Without verifiable paper trail and auditable machines... nothing will be good enough. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,432 by Another Scott 11/6/06 4:44:46 PM Reply	By itself, those won't be good enough either. It's the tyranny of large numbers. It's unreasonable to expect that, even with such audits and paper receipts, that reproducible perfect counts that reflect the will of the people will always happen. E.g. What about absentee ballots? Requiring that the results have to differ by a reasonable margin when the sides are very close seems to me to be smart. Cheers, Scott.
Post #272,434 by Silverlock 11/6/06 4:53:59 PM Reply	You need 'em as a basis for any system. Pick a system. Without confidence in the votes being counted with some degree of accuracy, whatever system you use is going to be nothing but gas. Noisy, stinky and non-solid. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,433 by hnick 11/6/06 4:46:54 PM Reply	Absolutely correct, and absolutely unworkable. Without Diebold type machines, how could you correct the mistakenly cast votes of so many people and still have the victory party on election night? You're just not thinking this through... I don't need the sign, do I?
Post #272,436 by tuberculosis 11/6/06 6:01:29 PM 8/21/07 6:34:35 AM Reply	Why have machines? We don't have them. We don't have polling places. Our entire county votes by mail using mail-in paper ballots. They are designed to be either machine tabulated or hand counted. The ballots come in two envelopes - an outer one you sign and contains your identity. These are verified against the roles and shucked. The inner one has no identifying information. Post verification, these are then opened and counted. Machines are completely unnecessary. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:34:35 AM EDT Expand All History

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