Post #272,131
11/3/06 8:34:45 PM
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A Ted Haggard defense: Platinum medal
[link|http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1554388,00.html|Ted Haggard] is the recently, ah, retired head of the National Association of Evangelicals, who stepped down the other day after vicious, baseless accusations that he'd purchased sex and crystal meth from a gay male hooker. Hard for us to imagine how one would squeeze these lemons for a cooling beverage, but that's because we're not former Bush speechwriter [link|http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWZkNjE3YzhmNjhhMDk5YWQwYWM3NzMwNmMwODg1Yzk=|David Frum]: A sensational but to-date unsubstantiated allegation has been hurled at a major American religious figure. On much of the left, the reaction is gleeful delight: See! He is no better than anybody else!
In my mind, however, this story highlights a widespread moral assumption that I have never been able to understand.
Consider the hypothetical case of two men. Both are inclined toward homosexuality. Both from time to time hire the services of male prostitutes. Both have occasionally succumbed to drug abuse.
One of them marries, raises a family, preaches Christian principles, and tries generally to encourage people to lead stable lives.
The other publicly reveals his homosexuality, vilifies traditional moral principles, and urges the legalization of drugs and prostitution.
Which man is leading the more moral life? It seems to me that the answer is the first one. Instead of suggesting that his bad acts overwhelm his good ones, could it not be said that the good influence of his preaching at least mitigates the bad effect of his misconduct? Instead of regarding hypocrisy as the ultimate sin, could it not be regarded as a kind of virtue - or at least as a mitigation of his offense?
After all, the first man may well see his family and church life as his "real" life; and regard his other life as an occasional uncontrollable deviation, sin, and error, which he condemns in his judgment and for which he sincerely seeks to atone by his prayer, preaching, and Christian works.
Yet it is the first man who will if exposed be held up to the execration of the media, while the second can become a noted public character - and can even hope to get away with presenting himself as an exemplar of ethics and morality. I might note that nowhere in the rest of the piece does Frum identify the gay coke-snorting, hooker-humping, morality-vilifying moral exemplar. If Frum ever finds himself at loose ends and out of work he ought to consider his native Canada's Cirque du Soleil, which is ever on the lookout for gifted contortionists. cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #272,132
11/3/06 8:45:03 PM
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As he judged others so shall he be judged.
I think that's all that needs to be said here.
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Post #272,135
11/3/06 9:45:07 PM
11/3/06 9:46:24 PM
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ignore badly touched keyboard
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Edited by boxley
Nov. 3, 2006, 09:46:24 PM EST
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Post #272,136
11/3/06 9:46:01 PM
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hmm, is Mr Frum a lawyer? Might keep his name handy
why such a scholarly weaseling, that is championship material. thanx, bill
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Post #272,139
11/3/06 10:01:19 PM
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You're missing a good one
See! He is no better than anybody else! No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that he's worse than other people. This is not, at best (as you'd like to portray it) an equalizer. It's proof that he is worse. This is not a pedantic distinction. (I would know.)
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Post #272,145
11/3/06 10:51:24 PM
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Heard during this evening's commute
is Mr. Haggard is now admiting to buying and using crystal meth with his "friend", but still denies ever having sex with him.
I am to assume that this is a step up somehow ... ?
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Post #272,169
11/4/06 10:40:30 AM
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Well, that depends on the the meaning of
"is", is.
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Post #272,180
11/4/06 12:13:15 PM
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Ted "I didn't impale" Haggard meets
[link|http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/50288/|Richard Dawkins!]
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #272,194
11/4/06 1:33:04 PM
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Not a very persuasive clip
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Post #272,256
11/5/06 4:53:04 PM
11/5/06 4:54:55 PM
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But you see, Rand, why he's a **former** speechwriter.
He's wrong.
And in the post-Rovian era, being wrong is the Worst Possible Thing you can be.
jb4 "When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]" — George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06

Edited by jb4
Nov. 5, 2006, 04:53:36 PM EST

Edited by jb4
Nov. 5, 2006, 04:54:55 PM EST
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Post #272,262
11/5/06 5:02:40 PM
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But we aren't in the post-Rovian era yet . . .
. . and may not be in our lifetimes. Being wrong is the new being right.
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Post #272,268
11/5/06 5:13:09 PM
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I thought plausible deniability was the new right
Or is it just that the New Right is plausibly deniable? I can't fucking wait 'til Tuesday! (If for no other reason than the inevitable signal-to-noise ratio increase....)
jb4 "When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]" — George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
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Post #272,282
11/5/06 6:24:38 PM
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I cant wait for the lawyerly rush on wednesday
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Post #272,284
11/5/06 6:27:16 PM
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Depends on the "Diebold Quotient"
jb4 "When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]" — George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
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