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New Any wok-y experiences? Andrew?
I'm tired of replacing cheap ($8) non-stick woks.

I'm not too interested in carbon steel or iron woks. Yeah, they're inexpensive (ok, $20-$30 instead of $8), but a bit of work to use (seasoning) which I don't need now, and I don't think my wife likes the idea of not washing (as my Vietnamese cookbook says "Vietnamese rarely wash their woks.")

I don't know if there are better non-stick woks. I suspect a lot of US brand woks come from the same factory, but with a higher price tag.

One possibility is something like this [link|http://www.amazon.com/Calphalon-Infused-Anodized-12-Inch-Flat-Bottom/dp/B000162NXK/sr=11-1/qid=1162487646/ref=sr_11_1/102-5548130-9272141|expensive wok] which might be worth it if it works well and lasts forever.

Also, I'm interested in frying pan recommendations, as I've got some ancient non-stick frying pans that need replacing.

--Tony
New Yes
For one thing, woks will often go to a higher temperature than is safe for non-stick coatings (actual measurements with infrared surface thermometer by Cooks Illustrated May/June 2005).

My collection of woks includes:
  • Atlas Metal Spinning - 14" spin fomed steel with wood handle one side loop handle on the other side - best steel wok made. c-1966.

  • Indian Kadhi, 14" crudely stamped steel (some rippling arond the edges) with riveted on brass plated loop handles - very crude - geometry slightly different from Oriental wok and absolutely the best device ever made for deep frying

  • Cast iron Japanese 13" -very thin casting, very rare - c-1976.

  • Calphalon 13" stainless - aluminum - stainless sandwich with riveted on
    long handle and opposing loop handle. small flat area at bottom so it doesn't need a ring stand.
The Calpahlon gets my very strongest recomendation - $79 at Bed Bath and Beyond and probably similar on the Internet. Very even heat distribution under any conditions. Easy to clean, nothing sticks to it so long as it's kept clean, no coating to degrade, no ring stand needed and you can use metal slotted and solid scoops to get stuff out without fear of ripping the coating or scratching it. The only case I would not use this one is if I needed that extra inch from a full size wok.

I got a stainless lid for it at a local Asian grocery and a steamer rack from the same place. The lid fits so well it sometimes pulls down a vacuum when cooling. You may already have a lid or Calphalon may list one, I haven't checked.

Edit: That "expensive" wok you reference I find completely rejactable on multiple grounds, price too high, non-stick coatings and anodize that won't scratch wear and degrade have never been made, aluminum, and 12 inches is way too small for a wok! 13 is cramped but quite usable, 14 ideal for home use but not economically available in stainless/aluminum sandwich.


Note: I don't buy aluminum anything. If it's coated or anodized those coatings are quickly destroyed and I cook a lot of acidic stuff that would be disolving aluminum - and I don't like the general feel of aluminum.

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Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Nov. 2, 2006, 01:47:38 PM EST
New This model?
[link|http://www.calphalon.com/calphalon/consumer/products/productGroup.jhtml?catId=CLCat100448|Flat bottom wok]

It also gets very good recommendations from a co-worker. I think I'll pick one up after I get a good BB&B coupon. He also likes Silverstone non-stick, but I'll likely get a Lodge cast iron and see how we like it - it's not very pricey.

--Tony
New Looks like the one . . .
. . and mine says '155 13"' on the bottom (but no letters). Strange their page doesn't give the diameter, but I think they have only the one size.
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New It's a consumer web site and thus
they don't feel the need to give full information. It's annoying how little companies want to tell you. Amazon is very good as a review site.

Then, there's my favorite kitchen applicance site, [link|http://www.zojirushi.com/|Zojirushi], with ! everywhere and the cute little elephant. They do make good stuff, and I might be adding a Zojirushi rice cooker sometime (our National one is getting old; I'm also looking at Tiger, which has a [link|http://www.tigeramerica.com/product_JAT.php|model with "Titanium non stick"])

--Tony
New I have a Titan Wok.
The only link I can find is [link|http://www.belpard.com.au/index.php?module=Website&action=ProductDetails&content=429|http://www.belpard.c...tails&content=429]

They're sold at Australia cooking shows for about AU$140. Quite heavy and about 14" across. They have a 'non-stick' surface which is supposed to not be a coating and therefore not supposed to wear off, but I think it does. It has a honeycomb pattern in the bottom, as well, and a flat-bottom on the outside.

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"Don't give up!"
New I have an 16" ( I think)
Emeril brand skillet. Dam thing is heavy. Has a three rivet handle and a secondary handle for lifting on the other side from the handle.

It is wonderful to make any "Wok" style stuff in. It heats really well. Keeps the keep well, is non-stick, in that the finish is designed to be non-stick as long as you take care of it and use wooden or brass utensils. I am not sure what kind of coating it is, except it takes extremely high heat very well. The skillet can be baked or broiled (800F broiling so far) just fine. It takes the just the least amount of care to clean it, as long as you do it right away after cooking, I use a plastic wool (styled afer steel wool) scrubber and soap-n-water

I also have a Calaphon flat bottom wok like you, except mine measures a good 14", maybe larger at the rim.

BTW, these pans are not cheap... meaning not under $100US.

I also must note, I threw out (gave away) all 6 of my "Authentic" carbon steel woks, without a tear or second thought, all tempered and well taken care of.
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New Frying pans
[link|https://secure.lodgemfg.com/storefront/products1.asp?idDept=1404&menu=logic|Lodge] L10SK3 12" skillet and L8SK3 10-1/4" skillet. Available at any restaurant supply or on the Internet. Cast iron is nowhere near as difficult to maintain as some people imply.

I also strongly recommend the Lodge L9OG3 10-1/2" round griddle for those doing certain ethnic cooking (best thing ever for roasting whole spices before grinding for curries, etc.).

I also recommend 2 quart and 3-1/2 quart full clad (stainless - aluminum - stainless) covered sauté pans, but not for sautéing which is best dones in a pan with low sloped sides. Note: "sauté" properly refers to a very hot short frying - not another word for "stir frying" as it is so often applied today.

These are super pans for recipes where you start out lightly frying onions and such then add liquids and cook covered, just not very good for heavy frying. I use the 2 quart constantly, the 3 quart almost as much and the 5 quart only a few times a year.

Edit: For French omelets, a 9-1/2 inch plain stamped sheet steel pan with shallowly sloping sides and a long, firmly mounted wooden handle. This is the one pan that takes special care and is washed only if you've screwed up. Any egg stuck to it is scrubbed out with salt and a paper towel - and that should not be much needed.

Important Note: The reviews never tell you this but sauté pans with a slab of aluminum encapsulated in the bottom only will have serious hot spots all around the edges and stuff will brown quickly and easily burn there if you aren't careful. They are certainly usable and I used a 2 quart of that sort intensively for maybe 2 years, but the full laminate is better if you can afford it.

Critical Note: When selecting cooking vessels, always err on the large side. If it's a little too large, you can live with that, but too small makes proper cooking impossible.
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Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Nov. 2, 2006, 02:23:13 PM EST
New I like my cast iron skillet
Really handy for browning items, adding stuff and then just putting the whole thing in the oven to finish up. The one I've got hanging off my pan rack is the L10SK3 12" skillet. I still need a better lid for it though. None of my existing ones have a good fit.
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New That's one righteous pan . . .
. . and the first one anyone intending to fry should buy.

For covered work as you describe, I use a 10-1/4 inch 3" deep skillet similar to the Lodge L8DSK3 with cover L5IC3 except without the helper handle. Don't know who made it, it just says "Made in USA" (wherever the hell that is) and #7 10-1/4". I've had it for over 30 years and it was my primary cooking vessel for much of that time. Highly recommended for low cost cookware.
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New I have several cast iron skillet
from a 3 inch for a single egg basted in butter to a 14 inch that replaced the one I broke. Dont know what make or model as I have always bought them at flea markets or garage sales. A 9inch griddle as well. I dont usually wash either the pancake pan or the egg pan, just a quick wipe with a paper towel. Everything else gets washed dried on the burner and a quick olive oil rub for next time.
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New I was at Smart & Final yesterday and
they had a bunch of fry pans right next to the entrance, including both Silverstone nonstick aluminum and Lodge cast iron.

I ended up with the 12" Lodge. I think it will be fine for me, but it is pretty heavy, and I'll have to see if my wife likes it (it might be too heavy for her). So, off to the local Afghan market for some grape seed oil for seasoning.

--Tony
New In my experience, its worth the effort
to season a carbon-steel wok.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Yeah, but how much effort is it?
20 minutes to scrub out a new wok with a harsh cleanser, dry it and heat a coating of oil slowly until just to the smoking point, then wipe out with paper towels and hang up.

And this "no washing" is a bunch of bull. Asian Eths probably don't wash because they haven't traditionally had decent washing facilities. I always wash, in fact I wash mine every time it's used, with institutional grade cleanser, then warm it on the stove, put in a dash of olive oil and wipe it around with a paper towel just to coat. Hang it up.
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New Historically do a bit more on my side.
The process I've followed is a bit more than that...as the initial seasoning is to heat, oil, cool, wipe and repeat several times...it takes a few hours.

My former roommate seasoned first with salt (heat to a scorch with a cup of salt, constantly stirring over flame for 20-30 minutes) and then repeated the oil treatment a couple of times. His method produced the very dark color immediately.

To clean, it really only takes water to rinse and a light brushing...then heat dry on stove...then re-oil and let cool.



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New Yall are so SEXY when you talk this!
I'm sure Bio would agree.

*Chuckle*
Smile,
Amy

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New The idea is to get the wok so the wife uses it
New -10 points on the Macho Meter :-)
Smile,
Amy

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New Yeah. The air is thick with testosterone!
New Smells like teen spirt



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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:26:39 AM EDT
New I gather you feel it's better when it works the other way?
I usually cook dinner during the week and on Sunday. Saturday we go out for a couple snorts and eat pub food. I've been sick this week so my wife (a rather good cook, herself) took over the cooking and observed that she likes it a lot more when I do it. I guess it's not womens work anymore...

I actually enjoy the cooking so it's not really a big deal in normal times. My wife got me cooking classes for christmas 10-12 years ago for stress release. I ended up taking everything through the professional chef series. Di probably considers that money well spent now. Smart broad...
New I'm serious!
I get tickled that you all are as intense about cooking and its utensils as you are about software and hardware.

Thanks for the smile.
Ear to Ear,
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New It's iwethey - we're intense about *everything*! :)
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New LRPD! - It's iwethey - we're intense about *everything*! :) (new thread)
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Smile,
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     Any wok-y experiences? Andrew? - (tonytib) - (23)
         Yes - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
             This model? - (tonytib) - (2)
                 Looks like the one . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     It's a consumer web site and thus - (tonytib)
             I have a Titan Wok. - (static)
             I have an 16" ( I think) - (folkert)
         Frying pans - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
             I like my cast iron skillet - (Silverlock) - (1)
                 That's one righteous pan . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             I have several cast iron skillet - (boxley)
             I was at Smart & Final yesterday and - (tonytib)
         In my experience, its worth the effort - (bepatient) - (2)
             Yeah, but how much effort is it? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                 Historically do a bit more on my side. - (bepatient)
         Yall are so SEXY when you talk this! - (imqwerky) - (8)
             The idea is to get the wok so the wife uses it -NT - (tonytib) - (1)
                 -10 points on the Macho Meter :-) -NT - (imqwerky)
             Yeah. The air is thick with testosterone! -NT - (bionerd) - (1)
                 Smells like teen spirt -NT - (tuberculosis)
             I gather you feel it's better when it works the other way? - (hnick) - (3)
                 I'm serious! - (imqwerky) - (2)
                     It's iwethey - we're intense about *everything*! :) -NT - (Meerkat) - (1)
                         LRPD! - It's iwethey - we're intense about *everything*! :) (new thread) - (imqwerky)

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