Post #271,621
10/30/06 4:51:37 PM
8/21/07 6:11:45 AM
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Naw, you can wreck the airplane with those
Tasers won't hurt the plane, but 5 guys with bombs/weapons will likely get many multiple taser hits each from the pissed off passengers. Would be like jumping into a jar of scorpions.
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Post #271,622
10/30/06 4:59:27 PM
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But that would be dangerous for other reasons.
Like if you snore.
ZAP!
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Post #271,631
10/30/06 6:07:09 PM
8/21/07 6:11:54 AM
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K - but he only gets one shot
and then you get one too.
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Post #271,633
10/30/06 6:09:34 PM
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:-)
Take THAT!
It would certainly lead to a new kind of "in-flight entertainment"
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Post #271,635
10/30/06 6:30:06 PM
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It would also solve another problem
Like those people who putz around getting their bags out of the overhead bin. Deplaning would go a lot faster.
ZAP! Move it!
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Post #271,639
10/30/06 7:46:42 PM
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I know the stews would wish they had cattle prods
I know at boarding time when I start mooing at the gate. Im surprised at how they dont think it is as funny as I do.
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bill
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Post #271,645
10/30/06 8:44:45 PM
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I would laugh :-)
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Post #272,088
11/3/06 3:30:10 PM
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How?
The coolest segment from this episode was the explosive airplane decompression segment. Jamie and Adam drove out to an airplane graveyard in the Mojave Desert and found an old passenger jet that they sealed up and pressurize. They also placed crash test dummy Buster in a passenger seat at ground zero for their series of experiments: 1) Firing a handgun through the skin of the aircraft. Result: nothing happened. Buster didn't even flinch. 2) Firing a handgun through the window of the aircraft. Result: same as before, nothing happened.
At this point the segment was getting really interesting for me, because it had dispelled my Hollywood-driven belief that a firing a gun on an aircraft would puncture the skin, which would then expand into a large hole, sucking out the evil villain or unidentified extra.
Having demonstrated that the conditions for the myth were false, Jamie and Adam went bigger to try and get the actual result:
3) Blowing out the window of an airplane. Result: Buster's arm was sucked through the opening, and probably would have dismembered a real human being. However, the hole did not expand, and the other passengers probably would have been fine.
4) blowing out a large section of the plane. This was the traditional grand finale where Jamie and Adam go overboard with explosives. The explosive blew out a huge section next to Buster, causing a large roof-section to be torn off as well. It was really awesome. Buster remained seated on the airplane, though he was covered by seats that had been ripped towards the hole. [link|http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2004/01/mythbusters_explosive_decompre.html|http://kwc.org/mythb...ive_decompre.html] bcnu,
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Post #272,118
11/3/06 6:55:41 PM
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They were missing something
They had the pressure inside. But the fast moving air over the exterior also causes low pressure. And if there were a single hole, that rushing air would work it much harder than the cabin pressure alone.
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Post #272,130
11/3/06 8:20:17 PM
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Mr. Bernouilli also depends on altitude, though..
It would make a decent physics problem on a test: 550 mph at 30K feet air density.
Of course too - aerodynamic stresses, especially if pilot makes a maneuver ... means that a lot more diff. equations would need solving before this passes guesswork, IMhO.
But a macro-physics guesstimate suggests: the .44 test is unaffected by altitude and speed, per Mr. B. Probably too, the case of the window disappearing.
The larger explosion + any damage to nearby structural pieces under stress: now that's more like a Duesy.
My 101.3 kPas
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Post #272,137
11/3/06 9:50:07 PM
8/21/07 6:27:22 AM
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You neglected
Firing a weapon through a fuel tank, into a jet engine, through a hydraulic line, severing a control cable...
As to the airspeed thing - I think its not much of a factor. I've stood in the doors of a lot of airplanes in flight (including a 727 doing about 160 kts at 15k feet). You don't notice any kind of "suction" effect from the airspeed - just drag from the air going past.
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Post #272,140
11/3/06 10:02:12 PM
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also, design of particular aircraft
[link|http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2001/Jan/18/118localnews1.html|http://the.honolulua...18localnews1.html] Boeing says the 737 was designed to decompress safely with as much as a 40-inch crack in the plane\ufffds skin, the 0.036-inch thick, aluminum outer layer of the fuselage. Instead of an explosive decompression, the hole in the skin is supposed to release internal pressure in a controlled way. In the Aloha accident, investigators concluded that more damage occurred \ufffd about 18 feet of the fuselage tore away \ufffd because many fatigue-caused cracks had gone undetected.
Austin says that a weakened fuselage was not the main reason for the extensive damage.
A 10-inch-by-10-inch hole opened, he says, in the roof of the cabin at a location known as body station 500. (Body stations are points on the fuselage that are measured in inches from near the nose of the jet to the rear.) A powerful stream of air swept an Aloha flight attendant off her feet and toward the hole, Austin says. Her head and right arm went through the hole, he says, but her body momentarily plugged it, blocking the escaping air and creating a jolt of pressure that ripped the jet apart. The flight attendant was swept out, and her body was never found.
"Slamming the door on a 700 mph jet stream creates a localized, short-duration high-pressure spike, up to several orders of magnitude (greater than) the allowable design pressure," Austin says. "This is a fluid hammer." thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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