Airport screening still less then useless

Post #271,505 by JayMehaffey 10/28/06 3:34:37 PM Reply	Airport screening still less then useless [link\|http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003327485_screeners28.html\|Seattle Times] Screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport, one of the starting points for the Sept. 11 hijackers, failed 20 of 22 security tests conducted by undercover U.S. agents last week, missing concealed bombs and guns at checkpoints throughout the major air hub's three terminals, according to federal security officials. It has been obvious for some time that airport screening was not of much use, but that is just sad. They missed the obvious stuff, such as bombs taped on under cloths and inside bandages. Jay
Post #271,538 by bionerd 10/29/06 1:34:48 PM Reply	I dont think that is the norm I'm sitting at an airport right now. Going through security, the guy in front of me had his bags searched. The Mom behind me got the wand treatment followed by an exhaustive-over-the clothes search, where her 2 children got to watch her being felt up. I had to relinquish my 3oz bottle of contact solution because it wasnt in a quart sized plastic bag in my purse. That goodness I'm not at Newark. The security folks at this airport are doing a bang up job and I am thankful for that. Also, I was supposed to fly in a wee little express aircraft but they bumped us all out of that and are going to put us in a larger aircraft because of the high winds. We just got shuttled to another terminal. I feel confident that my safety is in good hands today.
Post #271,565 by tuberculosis 10/29/06 10:38:19 PM 8/21/07 6:10:28 AM Reply	It is all a waste of time My solution - provide single shot tasers (the kind that shoot darts) under all the seats. Guarantees majority rules. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:10:28 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #271,566 by boxley 10/29/06 10:50:54 PM Reply	lawsuits would kill the airline industry, need 44 magnums Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #271,621 by tuberculosis 10/30/06 4:51:37 PM 8/21/07 6:11:45 AM Reply	Naw, you can wreck the airplane with those Tasers won't hurt the plane, but 5 guys with bombs/weapons will likely get many multiple taser hits each from the pissed off passengers. Would be like jumping into a jar of scorpions. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:11:45 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #271,622 by bepatient 10/30/06 4:59:27 PM Reply	But that would be dangerous for other reasons. Like if you snore. ZAP! Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #271,631 by tuberculosis 10/30/06 6:07:09 PM 8/21/07 6:11:54 AM Reply	K - but he only gets one shot and then you get one too. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:11:54 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #271,633 by bepatient 10/30/06 6:09:34 PM Reply	:-) Take THAT! It would certainly lead to a new kind of "in-flight entertainment" Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #271,635 by bionerd 10/30/06 6:30:06 PM Reply	It would also solve another problem Like those people who putz around getting their bags out of the overhead bin. Deplaning would go a lot faster. ZAP! Move it!
Post #271,639 by boxley 10/30/06 7:46:42 PM Reply	I know the stews would wish they had cattle prods I know at boarding time when I start mooing at the gate. Im surprised at how they dont think it is as funny as I do. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #271,645 by bionerd 10/30/06 8:44:45 PM Reply	I would laugh :-)
Post #272,088 by mmoffitt 11/3/06 3:30:10 PM Reply	How? The coolest segment from this episode was the explosive airplane decompression segment. Jamie and Adam drove out to an airplane graveyard in the Mojave Desert and found an old passenger jet that they sealed up and pressurize. They also placed crash test dummy Buster in a passenger seat at ground zero for their series of experiments: 1) Firing a handgun through the skin of the aircraft. Result: nothing happened. Buster didn't even flinch. 2) Firing a handgun through the window of the aircraft. Result: same as before, nothing happened. At this point the segment was getting really interesting for me, because it had dispelled my Hollywood-driven belief that a firing a gun on an aircraft would puncture the skin, which would then expand into a large hole, sucking out the evil villain or unidentified extra. Having demonstrated that the conditions for the myth were false, Jamie and Adam went bigger to try and get the actual result: 3) Blowing out the window of an airplane. Result: Buster's arm was sucked through the opening, and probably would have dismembered a real human being. However, the hole did not expand, and the other passengers probably would have been fine. 4) blowing out a large section of the plane. This was the traditional grand finale where Jamie and Adam go overboard with explosives. The explosive blew out a huge section next to Buster, causing a large roof-section to be torn off as well. It was really awesome. Buster remained seated on the airplane, though he was covered by seats that had been ripped towards the hole. [link\|http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2004/01/mythbusters_explosive_decompre.html\|http://kwc.org/mythb...ive_decompre.html] bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #272,118 by drewk 11/3/06 6:55:41 PM Reply	They were missing something They had the pressure inside. But the fast moving air over the exterior also causes low pressure. And if there were a single hole, that rushing air would work it much harder than the cabin pressure alone. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #272,130 by Ashton 11/3/06 8:20:17 PM Reply	Mr. Bernouilli also depends on altitude, though.. It would make a decent physics problem on a test: 550 mph at 30K feet air density. Of course too - aerodynamic stresses, especially if pilot makes a maneuver ... means that a lot more diff. equations would need solving before this passes guesswork, IMhO. But a macro-physics guesstimate suggests: the .44 test is unaffected by altitude and speed, per Mr. B. Probably too, the case of the window disappearing. The larger explosion + any damage to nearby structural pieces under stress: now that's more like a Duesy. My 101.3 kPas
Post #272,137 by tuberculosis 11/3/06 9:50:07 PM 8/21/07 6:27:22 AM Reply	You neglected Firing a weapon through a fuel tank, into a jet engine, through a hydraulic line, severing a control cable... As to the airspeed thing - I think its not much of a factor. I've stood in the doors of a lot of airplanes in flight (including a 727 doing about 160 kts at 15k feet). You don't notice any kind of "suction" effect from the airspeed - just drag from the air going past. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Nov. 3, 2006, 09:53:09 PM EST Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:27:22 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #272,140 by boxley 11/3/06 10:02:12 PM Reply	also, design of particular aircraft [link\|http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2001/Jan/18/118localnews1.html\|http://the.honolulua...18localnews1.html] Boeing says the 737 was designed to decompress safely with as much as a 40-inch crack in the plane\ufffds skin, the 0.036-inch thick, aluminum outer layer of the fuselage. Instead of an explosive decompression, the hole in the skin is supposed to release internal pressure in a controlled way. In the Aloha accident, investigators concluded that more damage occurred \ufffd about 18 feet of the fuselage tore away \ufffd because many fatigue-caused cracks had gone undetected. Austin says that a weakened fuselage was not the main reason for the extensive damage. A 10-inch-by-10-inch hole opened, he says, in the roof of the cabin at a location known as body station 500. (Body stations are points on the fuselage that are measured in inches from near the nose of the jet to the rear.) A powerful stream of air swept an Aloha flight attendant off her feet and toward the hole, Austin says. Her head and right arm went through the hole, he says, but her body momentarily plugged it, blocking the escaping air and creating a jolt of pressure that ripped the jet apart. The flight attendant was swept out, and her body was never found. "Slamming the door on a 700 mph jet stream creates a localized, short-duration high-pressure spike, up to several orders of magnitude (greater than) the allowable design pressure," Austin says. "This is a fluid hammer." thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #271,641 by Ashton 10/30/06 7:52:29 PM Reply	Best practical idea I've heard since Fly Nude. It should be, at least.. pursued --> (Mod: Publish that some of the Tazers are non-op - the uncertainty reins in those planning to start something silly-like-this thread, but the er, unwashed majority would still prevail.)
Post #271,679 by warmachine 10/31/06 8:20:55 AM Reply	No, they'll search you. With gloves. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #271,576 by bionerd 10/30/06 7:03:49 AM Reply	My safety may have been the utmost concern for the airline But my customer satisfaction was not. They lost my luggage for the 2nd time in a row. Same airline, same airport. Grrr. Pissed me right off. And for the last 2 times I've flown, there has been an air disaster within a 12 hour period. Yeah, I notice these things. I must have good karma these days. Dont know why. Shouldnt have. But am happy about it, none the less.
Post #271,586 by xtensive 10/30/06 11:15:55 AM Reply	Sounds like a simple trade-off - karmically speaking Given the coincidence of events, I guess you'd rather your luggage not be w/ you during a "sudden descent." "I'm man enough to tell you that I can't put my finger on exactly what my philosophy is now, but I'm flexible." -- Malcolm X
Post #271,593 by bionerd 10/30/06 1:27:55 PM Reply	True. Very true.

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