Yeah, one of my fav 'issues', too.

Post #270,591 by Ashton 10/17/06 6:41:42 PM Reply	Yeah, one of my fav 'issues', too. What he said was he could hear in his mind each instrument's part of a symphony, distinctly and separately, note by note, and in relation to the other parts, right from the get-go. It remained only to write the parts down. And while Amadeus was necessarily a few accurate factoids hugely morphed into a marvelous bio.. I thought this particular (and metaphysical - as all 'explanation' would fail) was portrayed to perfection -- in the scene wherein Costanze has dropped her purloined collection of manuscripts; Salieri picks up one -- and instantly we are treated to the Sound of what he is reading! [That snip alone is IMO immortal as 'movie scenes' go..] These are Finished 'first drafts'; There are No Corrections!. It was all just Written Down At-once == oblig. !!! Salieri begins to See! (alas, it is all magnificent imagineering for our startlement; so little that is credible/verifiable in the histories, comes near to such vignettes.) ie. concur: the formula for Excellentizing Your Clamber Up the Bladder of Corporate Success begs this Question, too. One Mozart is all the rebuttal required. (These kinds of analyses seem to go with the pandemic of digital-think, now smothering the planet with TLAs, addlepated algorithms and bizspeak rolled-together and called, Grow the ____ whatever-the-fuck.) PS - similar eord struggles employed by physicists re variously, Johnny Non Neumann, Feynman et al, in attempting to limn 'genius'; most such efforts were just clever wordy synonyms for Magic. ~ "It wasn't that, I might become what ___ was like -?- if only my talents were greatly intensified..." I happen to believe that Mozart was, simply in constant, intimate touch with The Celestial Spheres. Poor bastard - surrounded by dwarfs, little Shrubs strutting about and Counting Notes.
Post #270,611 by Andrew Grygus 10/17/06 8:50:39 PM Reply	Of course the whole Salieri thing is false. Mozart and Salieri often cooperated and there's no actual evidence of serious problems. Of course Mozart was a little pissed when Salieri got a job he was after, but it never got bitter. Mozart selected Solieri as teacher for one of his sons and the story of a deathbed confession of killing Mozart is certified false be the people who were there. Salieri was successful in cases where Mozart was not because he had carefully nurtured the necessary social skills. Salieri was obviously a laid back sort of guy. He ended up as Beethoven's teacher because he was the only teacher in Vienna calm enough to put up with him. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #270,623 by tuberculosis 10/17/06 11:35:51 PM 8/21/07 5:45:17 AM Reply	Competent management type Minimally capable, with social skills, thus ensuring financial success. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:45:17 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #270,677 by Andrew Grygus 10/18/06 1:08:12 PM Reply	Actually, his music wasn't that bad either. He's being performed quite a bit lately, though he hasn't quite made the mainstream repertory yet. At least one of his operas has been recorded in full for the first time recently as have other works. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #270,688 by ChrisR 10/18/06 2:05:57 PM Reply	Needs More Notes!
Post #270,693 by bepatient 10/18/06 2:35:21 PM Reply	No, too many notes. Take some of them out. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #270,701 by tuberculosis 10/18/06 4:22:53 PM 8/21/07 5:50:56 AM Reply	I'll make a note of that [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:50:56 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #270,711 by bepatient 10/18/06 5:37:10 PM Reply	Duly Noted. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #270,747 by drewk 10/18/06 8:25:44 PM Reply	Aww man, note again! === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #270,791 by Meerkat 10/19/06 12:05:20 AM Reply	Would you keep this silly note talk down to a minim ? Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #270,820 by bepatient 10/19/06 11:06:22 AM Reply	Every good boy deserves favoritism! Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #270,840 by pwhysall 10/19/06 2:51:35 PM Reply	You're so crotchety. Whereas I am the very model of breve-ity. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #270,900 by Meerkat 10/20/06 3:03:01 AM Reply	You're such a maestro! I quaver in your very presence. Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #270,909 by Ashton 10/20/06 3:45:51 AM Reply	I'm trilled just to be in this tremolo
Post #270,944 by Meerkat 10/20/06 9:07:47 PM Reply	Well it has always been your forte... Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #270,638 by Ashton 10/18/06 3:34:15 AM Reply	Re: Of course the whole Salieri thing is false. No shit? Sorta like JFK by Oliver Stone? who'da thunk.. Of course the plot is fiction. And nobody knows what either man really thought of the other, as is the case re most of the famous and long-dead. That does not alter the rightness of that scene - it is the reaction any serious composer would have, on seeing those 'drafts': Astonishment. Irrelevant to rest of the screenplay, nice romp that it was. Jeez, do I have to argue the proposition that, "often fiction can express a truth better than a documentary?" I give you then: Will S. (if that Was his name. A work stands on its own, regardless of any putative bio of its author.) Johann Nepomuk Hummel had a funner name - and wrote a bitchin concerto for clarino, cornet, trumpet - whatever was to come. Damn.. what a team: Mozart writing one for Nakariakov, today.
Post #270,749 by drewk 10/18/06 8:29:24 PM Reply	Probably not on your "must see" list You ever see "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure"? They went back in time to grab famous dead dudes to come help with their history report. Took them to the mall to see what they thought about it. My favorite part was when Beethoven walked into the music store and found two racks full of synthsizers and went nuts on them. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #270,763 by Ashton 10/18/06 9:35:12 PM Reply	Remember title; missed it - probably shouldn't have Just assumed it was teen-fluff. Bad to assume. Agree re the Beethoven skit - he'd have Loved the possibilities! Maybe a hearing aid, while time-tripping. Imagine not Hearing the chorus He Wrote for the Ninth! or the applause - until someone turned him around, at the podium -- to see a ~mosh pit/audience. (Imagine too, a synthesizer being played by someone who actually knows how to compose Music! As in Switched-on Bach in the Moog days; 'course they were plagiarizing. Some neat stuff there - have an LP or 2.)
Post #270,765 by drewk 10/18/06 9:47:06 PM Reply	Oh it was teen fluff But to this day I can't watch it without laughing. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]

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