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New /. story: Globalization decimating US IT jobs.
[link|http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/02/0233226.shtml|Slashdot]. The original article is by Paul Craig Roberts and is on [link|http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts09302006.html|CounterPunch]:

Software engineers and information technology workers have been especially hard hit. Jobs offshoring, which began with call centers and back-office operations, is rapidly moving up the value chain. Business Week's Michael Mandel4 compared starting salaries in 2005 with those in 2001. He found a 12.7 per cent decline in computer science pay, a 12 per cent decline in computer engineering pay, and a 10.2 per cent decline in electrical engineering pay. Marketing salaries experienced a 6.5 per cent decline, and business administration salaries fell 5.7 per cent. Despite a make-work law for accountants known by the names of its congressional sponsors, Sarbanes-Oxley, even accounting majors, were offered 2.3 per cent less.

Using the same sources as the Business Week article (salary data from the National Association of Colleges and Employers and Bureau of Labor Statistics data for inflation adjustment), professor Norm Matloff at the University of California, Davis, made the same comparison for master's degree graduates. He found that between 2001 and 2005 starting pay for master's degrees in computer science, computer engineering, and electrical engineering fell 6.6 per cent, 13.7 per cent, and 9.4 per cent respectively.


Cheers,
Scott.
New Isn't this just part of the lifecycle?
Farms were once small family owned/run operations ---> Now large corporate entities, families forced out.

Manufacturing was once done by hand by skilled craftsmen ---> Now automated robotic assembly lines, craftsmen forced out.

With every industry there is the move toward lower costs. If we object to the globalization of the IT industry, are we not objecting now, because it is finally affecting us?

What about the farmers, the skilled craftsmen, or anyone else who has been pushed out of a job due to the insatiable push toward lower costs?

Right? Wrong? Inevitable.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
New Could be wrong conclusion drawn
Not certain if its the push to outsource. Other things in play make the same impact

Outsourcing will drop demand, yes...but so will the obliteration of certain segments of the job market by the burst of the net bubble. Thousands of jobs in high tech (just the sort filled by these guys) simply went away. They weren't outsourced...they just went away.

Salaries would drop because of either. I'm not sure if outsourcing is the evil culprit it is made out to be in high skilled jobs. It isn't helping...but this cycle seems to be more aligned with the general economic cycle than it does with some new trending in outsourcing.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New More and more people I know
are finding ways to work from home.

Only the big companies require BIC (butts in chairs).

Smaller more agile ones are allowing flexibility in location.

Finally, the telecommuting promise is beginning to pay off.



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New Has been for nearly 2 years here.
Work from home 100% of the time.

It gets a little hairy in the summertime, what with the kids home from school and the wife not working....But we somehow slog through.

When we need to hold meetings, we have a Teamspeak server that we all use. I go to the office maybe 2 or 3 times a year. One or two of those times is to interview potential new hires, and the other time is the annual company meeting where they buy us lunch.

It's a nice life if you can get it. The biggest problem is that it makes Agile development methodologies hard -- and damn near impossible if nobody else has experience with them before starting.
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New telecommuter here
my commute is up the stairs to my office :)
--
Steve
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New Down the stairs for me.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Stairs? Who needs stairs?
From bedroom to den is about 10 steps.
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New My friend just moved to Malta
from Budapest - he can live like a king there for much less $.




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     /. story: Globalization decimating US IT jobs. - (Another Scott) - (8)
         Isn't this just part of the lifecycle? - (jbrabeck)
         Could be wrong conclusion drawn - (bepatient)
         More and more people I know - (tuberculosis) - (5)
             Has been for nearly 2 years here. - (Yendor)
             telecommuter here - (Steve Lowe) - (3)
                 Down the stairs for me. -NT - (bepatient)
                 Stairs? Who needs stairs? - (Yendor) - (1)
                     My friend just moved to Malta - (tuberculosis)

If there are really aliens, I would think that L. Ron Hubbard would have to be one of them.
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