He 'asked for it' so he shouldn't bring it to anyone's

Post #269,095

10/1/06 12:42:26 PM

attention.

And if the guy gets his ass kicked for saying 'Harleys Suck' yeah - he should expect it - but the bikers should also get punished. And that's HARDLY a political opinion.

Yes, the whole thing was minor. You have CONTINUALLY labelled this guy as a jerk, a publicity seeker, a chicken, an idiot, etc. as a result. You've manufactured reasons why.

And yeah - he asked for it. He KNEW there would be trouble. How sad is that? That LEGITIMIZES the whole thing! Protesters at political rallies also 'ask for it'. People that protest police brutality 'ask for it'. People that have bumper stickers criticizing Bush - or - pro-Democrat, down here (people have been FIRED for having Democratic bumper stickers down here) 'ask for it'. War protesters during wartime 'ask for it'.

Now HEAR THIS. That is what our Constitutional right to free speech is for! Being able to voice dissent, whenever or wherever you want. To make opinions KNOWN, ESPECIALLY opinions about politics and political figures, not to quietly submit (as they did in the Weimar Republic).

It's probably wiser to shut up and soldier in the short term. In the long term? No.

And as for understanding? Do YOU? Was this guy a MLK? A Rosa Parks? No. Was he punished to the extent that the jerk, the idiot, the chicken TSA guy could get away with for having an opinion that the TSA guy didn't like? YES. Was the TSA guy abusing authority? YES. Now - where did the guy get the idea that Constitutional rights didn't apply to his sphere of authority? How many others have this idea? Was it useful to bring this out in the open? YES.

THAT is one of the reason it is important to be ABLE to speak up when and where these things happen.

And YOU think he shouldn't have.

Whoopee.

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Post #269,096

by bepatient

10/1/06 12:54:08 PM

But there is indeed a degree

you seem to believe that because he chose >this< as his platform, that I should feel differently about the outcome...because to not do so is somehow lessening the cause.

I doubt his cause. I doubt his sincerity with this cause and, as posted to drook, liken this to the "jackass" version of protest.

So, since I doubt his intention was to do anything BUT barb a TSA guy, I am completely unwilling to give it any status towards "the cause".

And to be completely accurate, the TSA guy was at least marginally correct in stating that the 1st amendment doesnt necessarily apply unfettered in his "sphere of authority". There are legal limitations imposed once you pass into his world.

But to be clear. NO this is not a forgiveness and NO I don't think it applied to the message written on the bag.

But I repeat, I will not elevate a man undertaking a juvenile prank be raised to a level in my head of "freedom fighter" rallying to any cause. If this is somehow dangerous to the American dream...oh well.

Both sides were wrong...and in the spirit of my point on this subject all along...you and Rand can post on this to your hearts content....I am wasting no more pixels on the subject...he doesn't deserve it.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Post #269,099

by rcareaga

10/1/06 1:45:01 PM

Beep proves himself a keen student of history

Having been rather decisively refuted by all and sundry he takes a cue from the late Vermont senator George Aiken's prescription for success in Vietnam—

in the spirit of my point on this subject all along...you and Rand can post on this to your hearts content....I am wasting no more pixels on the subject...he doesn't deserve it.

—he declares victory and goes home. Well played, old son! Would that the President had the sense to quit!

cordially,

Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.

Post #269,118

by bepatient

10/1/06 7:40:25 PM

I declared nothing.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Post #269,230

by Ashton

10/2/06 3:32:44 PM

Sure you did

in noBODY language?

It's all about the efficiency, isn't it?

Someone does [any old thing] that might interfere with the efficient-transport-of goods / lemmings whatever: that is tantamount to inhibiting the committing of Capitalism. Why, it's a direct >attack< on The Market!
And as all know, The Market WILL Correct. Or the straw-Biker-bar snockered-lad consensus. Same thing.

(We 'bikers' oft opined that, Harley's Suck - wanna race?
Nary a One wanted to choose off.. any old [1000 cc = smaller displacement] random Vincent.)
PS - with a precious few exceptions (copies of Engl. bikes of yore.. sorta but way-Fatter: they STILL suck - all they are is pretty (for those who think Cadillacs are pretty) and heavy 2-wheel Hummers. Bought by people who also buy Rollexi - or wish they could. Blings.

Why, from that, any Econ major could deduce: Harley Riders are Cowards/wimps! precisely same process by which you immediately characterized the above incident: pulled-outta-ass.

Thus: your dogged, one might say intransigent defense of the Smooth Operation of Just Everything -no matter any minor consequences- to say, the continued pursuit of life, liberty and happiness? and all that irrelevant crybaby Constitutional crap which -- interferes with the mathematics of Economics Theory.

Your stand is utterly predictable, on so many topics - if folks will just recall that, Principally what you are is: an Econ Major, subsequently - evangelist? (with no pesky Minors to confuse your worldview). Does it suck to have become predictable?

We needn't go into 'admirable' and other such not-Efficiency-associated word things.
It would waste more time.

Carrion.

Post #269,236

by bepatient

10/2/06 4:18:51 PM

Wrong again

even if english is a second language.

No business in my position. None. Nada. Zilch.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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