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Post #26,895 by tablizer 2/1/02 2:59:35 PM Reply	how about this then We could compare a p/r "role pattern" to an OOP one: [link\|http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/prpats.htm#role\|http://www.geocitie...ats.htm#role] (I didn't show the OOP version. Jay posted a Java version once, but I don't remember where it is. Anybody volunteer one?) ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #26,900 by Arkadiy 2/1/02 3:39:25 PM Reply	Odd. Not a single mention of "coddlet" anywhere.
Post #26,931 by tablizer 2/1/02 10:19:20 PM Reply	"A formula for a pattern or structure" ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #27,029 by Arkadiy 2/2/02 9:36:22 PM Reply	Still odd. The only use of word "formula" on the whole page is here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that many of my examples don't include a lot of code. This is because many of the GOF-influenced patterns are mere "viewpoints" in the relational world, created by a trivial relational or Boolean formula, and not a physical code structure. This makes them easier and less intrusive to test and change. Thus, to us table fans, GOF-like patterns appear Neanderthalic. It is better abstraction to use formulas to represent repeating patterns than to physically repeat them. For one, the same items can more easily participate in multiple patterns. Think about it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< No matter how much I thnk about it, I don't get it. Do you mean using "WHERE" clause of a SELECT (or may be a view) instead of a list or a table holding needed elements? Fine technique, when you can employ it. But not really new or deserving its own term. Or did you mean something deeper?
Post #27,036 by tablizer 2/2/02 11:03:01 PM Reply	Jay, where is your "Roles" link? ________________ oop.ismad.com

How non-OO people think. - (Arkadiy) - (90) - Jan. 29, 2002, 10:04:49 AM EST

I just don't get OO design decisions - (tablizer) - (88) - Jan. 29, 2002, 10:47:05 AM EST

I believe I understand why you have a problem - (ben_tilly) - (21) - Jan. 29, 2002, 12:53:33 PM EST

Re: I believe I understand why you have a problem - (wharris2) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2002, 02:35:10 PM EST

Well, my philosophy says... - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 29, 2002, 04:04:15 PM EST

ADT's and Coddlets - (tablizer) - (18) - Jan. 29, 2002, 05:27:14 PM EST

Coddlets? - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Jan. 30, 2002, 10:23:26 AM EST

From the context: Applets + Codd = "Coddlets". - (CRConrad) - (9) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:12:02 PM EST

And "little snippets of data structures" make no sence to me -NT - (Arkadiy) - (8) - Jan. 30, 2002, 02:19:53 PM EST

Me neither - but don't blame me; it's *his* concept! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 30, 2002, 05:12:56 PM EST

Virtual Structures - (tablizer) - (6) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:23:51 PM EST

I understand all words - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:27:03 PM EST

how about this then - (tablizer) - (4) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:59:35 PM EST

Odd. Not a single mention of "coddlet" anywhere. - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:39:25 PM EST

"A formula for a pattern or structure" -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:19:20 PM EST

Still odd. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:36:22 PM EST

Jay, where is your "Roles" link? -NT - (tablizer) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:03:01 PM EST

I think you would prefer what Code Complete has to say - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:00:53 AM EST

You must think in *Russian*! Think in *RUSSIAN*! - (admin) - (2) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:11:07 AM EST

Firefox, Clint Eastwood and the semi-telepathic MiG. - (CRConrad) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:17:43 PM EST

Second, was FireFox. (book was better than movie) -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:16:44 PM EST

Abstraction level is relative and graph-like IMO - (tablizer) - (2) - Jan. 30, 2002, 02:25:20 PM EST

Nested abstractions do work in business - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 31, 2002, 10:18:01 AM EST

"Layers" is not appropriate for the most part - (tablizer) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:41:57 PM EST

That's not the kind of post I 'd like to get... - (Arkadiy) - (65) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:01:55 AM EST

Why the Tree focus? - (tablizer) - (64) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:46:14 PM EST

No tree focus. - (Arkadiy) - (63) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:59:03 PM EST

Have you thot of tables? - (tablizer) - (62) - Jan. 31, 2002, 04:36:56 PM EST

Not relevant. - (Arkadiy) - (61) - Jan. 31, 2002, 05:03:35 PM EST

what is wrong with them? - (tablizer) - (60) - Jan. 31, 2002, 09:16:05 PM EST

Bryce, please pay attention. - (static) - (3) - Jan. 31, 2002, 09:22:37 PM EST

seperation of concerns - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2002, 11:56:28 PM EST

Duh! - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:39:10 PM EST

Perhaps p/r is moving above that -NT - (tablizer) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:00:19 PM EST

Bryce, Static is right. - (Arkadiy) - (55) - Feb. 1, 2002, 09:48:27 AM EST

what is the goal? - (tablizer) - (54) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:01:44 PM EST

The goal is to further the discussion. - (Arkadiy) - (53) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:17:31 PM EST

that depends - (tablizer) - (52) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:54:50 PM EST

OK, getting somewhere. - (Arkadiy) - (51) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:35:06 PM EST

Now THAT is the crux.... - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:59:28 PM EST

only one fact here - (tablizer) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:13:47 PM EST

I disagree - (tablizer) - (48) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:04:19 PM EST

May be. - (Arkadiy) - (47) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:24:21 PM EST

the calculation complexity may not even matter here - (tablizer) - (46) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:14:00 PM EST

It does not matter indeed. - (Arkadiy) - (45) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:52:14 PM EST

Regional Scope to the Rescue - (tablizer) - (44) - Feb. 3, 2002, 01:05:55 PM EST

Regional Scope - ok. - (Arkadiy) - (43) - Feb. 4, 2002, 10:40:53 AM EST

I think so - (tablizer) - (42) - Feb. 4, 2002, 01:31:55 PM EST

It was really C, not C++ - (Arkadiy) - (41) - Feb. 4, 2002, 04:38:07 PM EST

Welcome to Table Land - (tablizer) - (40) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:37:26 PM EST

So, each clone's data is a row? - (Arkadiy) - (39) - Feb. 4, 2002, 07:49:55 PM EST

Multiple Entity Association Candidates - (tablizer) - (38) - Feb. 4, 2002, 09:13:21 PM EST

Re: Multiple Entity Association Candidates - (Arkadiy) - (37) - Feb. 5, 2002, 10:15:25 AM EST

Genericness - (tablizer) - (36) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:55:43 AM EST

Expressing problem domain - (Arkadiy) - (35) - Feb. 5, 2002, 02:13:09 PM EST

Misunderstanding - (tablizer) - (28) - Feb. 5, 2002, 08:03:45 PM EST

Actual numbers don't matter much. - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:47:48 AM EST

Spoken Language? - (tablizer) - (17) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:43:02 PM EST

Re: Spoken Language? - (Arkadiy) - (16) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:46:35 PM EST

Hmmmm. Verbal thinkers versus visual thinkers - (tablizer) - (10) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:51:58 AM EST

Seems like end of conversation, then. - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2002, 10:34:38 AM EST

See also Stephenson, In The Beginning Was The Command Line.. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:47:29 PM EST

Actually, I like command lines - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:10:58 PM EST

Noted. - (static) - Feb. 7, 2002, 08:07:43 PM EST

Can our differences really be all that simple? - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:46:35 PM EST

Simple? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:37:57 AM EST

Compared to others, yes. - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 01:00:37 PM EST

On visual thinking. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:38:14 AM EST

mooooo - (tablizer) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:06:47 PM EST

I've heard her speak.. - (Ashton) - Feb. 17, 2002, 10:44:11 PM EST

Sp: "Swahili". Kwaheri, Jambo! - (CRConrad) - (3) - Feb. 7, 2002, 05:58:53 AM EST

I've had enuf of your irrelevent, speghetti insolts :-) -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:43:56 PM EST

Hey Bryce, I was just over on /. and revisited an old... - (CRConrad) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:55:34 AM EST

Okay, you are off the hook - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:11:29 PM EST

Re: Spoken Language? - (pwhysall) - Feb. 7, 2002, 07:54:21 AM EST

Nothing else is possible with you. - (CRConrad) - (8) - Feb. 6, 2002, 11:05:49 AM EST

Did you notice... - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:20:44 PM EST

What're you talking about?!? I called a mind (yours) "good"! -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:53:07 PM EST

Thank you. - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2002, 01:43:04 PM EST

More like the other way around... - (CRConrad) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2002, 02:14:26 PM EST

Right you are. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2002, 03:16:12 PM EST

Actually, you are right too... - (CRConrad) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:30:26 PM EST

not think like me == bad mind ? - (tablizer) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:54:59 PM EST

Walk Before Run - (tablizer) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:48:43 PM EST

A classic real world example: Brooklyn Union Gas - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2002, 02:43:16 PM EST

One case proves nothing - (tablizer) - (4) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:35:34 PM EST

Re: One case proves nothing - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Feb. 8, 2002, 12:57:32 PM EST

ad-hoc - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:21:27 PM EST

Re: ad-hoc - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:29:58 PM EST

English Oriented Programming - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:05:54 PM EST

How I think in Non-OO terms - (nking) - Jan. 29, 2002, 03:18:39 PM EST

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