Yeah - but I always took that line as derogatory.

Post #268,829 by static 9/27/06 9:32:45 PM Reply	Yeah - but I always took that line as derogatory. "Insert crowbar. Apply force."
Post #268,833 by broomberg 9/27/06 9:49:57 PM Reply	Hey, you get a buzz either way and say things that make sober/sane people look at you as if you were crazy.
Post #268,835 by drewk 9/27/06 9:50:25 PM Reply	It is I got the impression Bill was saying those non-physical addictions are "less bad" than the physical ones. That's not the same as "good". === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #268,889 by static 9/28/06 9:47:45 PM Reply	I guess Bill's stance caught me by surprise. A lot of the literature I've seen available for those in problematic addictions is oriented around overcoming the destructive patterns. Thus, by definition, any addiction is 'bad'. Replacing one with another is acknowledged, but never held up as a valid endpoint solution. Harm Minimization is probably what Bill had in mind, but it's clearly a compromise. As I've already mentioned, it's possible to get lost in the maze of definitions. Addictive behaviour does have an aspect of obsessive compulsiveness. But there is a continuum. I can be obsessive compulsive about my one to two cups of coffee a day - but that's not an addiction worth fighting with a twelve-step program, is it? Now that I think about it, I think there's a lot about human behaviours that is very lightly obsessive compulsive. What carriage on the train you like going home. What order you prepare breakfast in the morning. What TV shows must be watched, week in, week out. Many of these we just call habits. Going to church every Sunday morning. Could these be 'good' addictions? Possibly. Wade. "Insert crowbar. Apply force."
Post #268,892 by boxley 9/28/06 10:29:06 PM Reply	we live in chaos In a six dimention world which we reconcile by seeing two dimentionally upside down. The brain from infancy gets this input and is trained to "weed out" non important visual criteria. We learn to walk by falling down. We learn that certain rituals can assist us in navigating this very strange plane of existance. These rituals can be as simple as lighting up a cigarette before starting an automobile or as complex as shuting ones eyes before ejaculation. Most of our waking life is spent doing things that we have learned over our lives is an acceptable manner. We eat fornicate sleep watch tv read or go online in a way that makes us feel comfortable and safe. This is what "rationalization" has tought us about our environment. Most people dont understand that. We actually live in a strenuous dangerous world that constantly challenges us to survive. We live by rote. We survive because the subconcience has made the proper adjustments to get the corporal body through another day. The concience body relies upon these OBD reactions to allow us to think outide of survival. However the stress related to this constant balancing act causes the subconcience to freak. This is what the basis of mental illness is. The undermind tired of "saving the day" 24X7 freaks and either enters self looping patterns {addictive behavior} or gives up (schizophrenia where all auditory and visual stimulus is no longered filtered by the under mind). Adding to this is chemical imbalances that disrupt the normalization of the undermind and the concience is constantly being presented with either two much info or not enough. This is bi-polar disorder. The actual best frame of mind is where the over and under mind is absolutely in tune, One takes presented info and does only what is best for the organism. This however is man's greatest monster a sociopath. Looks like the gentle neighbor but is totally absorbed toward self preservation and self gratification. Some of our best leaders have been classic sociopaths, some of mankind's greatest enemies have the same affliction. In short we are biologically fucked and psychologically fucked. Religion is trying to enforce rules about the tremendous data inputs around the physical being. They may be valid rulesets, I didnt design the biology so am unfit to declare one right others wrong except by dialectic parsing and beleiving in the realestate deal. hope that helps thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #268,900 by drewk 9/28/06 11:55:02 PM Reply	I can't decide Is this the most drunk or the most sober you've ever posted? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #268,937 by boxley 9/29/06 1:51:55 PM Reply	? Perfectly legible post, subject matter is esoteric Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #268,962 by Ashton 9/29/06 7:45:17 PM Reply	Concur - Some folks, say those afflicted with techie genes, like to call 'it' 'other dimensions'; that way a one can imagine ~ "we'll solve it Real Soon Now.." Most call it 'higher levels of consciousness'. Possibly attainable with certain sorts of efforts -??- but not transmissible to another homo-sap, second-hand (gotta Love Cosmic Humor, if'n ya wanna chat w/ Godheads.) We live by and kill for metaphors every day. -- Jos. Campbell to Bill Moyers, in the last of that series. (And anyone who imagines a metaphor as 'history', or as some bodacious Factoid == is a Fundie. Not to be trusted beyond the babytalk used to inculcate innocent little kiddies of all ages.) We could make that a crucifixion offense, though.
Post #268,971 by drewk 9/29/06 8:23:31 PM Reply	I know, but this is you we're talking about === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #268,973 by boxley 9/29/06 8:34:06 PM Reply	which me are you talking about? :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep

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