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Post #267,644 by admin 9/15/06 11:49:00 AM Reply	What's there to learn? Click this icon to open a shell. Type "bwbasic". Have fun. Please explain to me how this is more intrinsically befuddling than the same operation in Windows or OS X. The whole point of the operation is learning. Why are you opposed to it? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #267,647 by warmachine 9/15/06 12:22:22 PM Reply	How to write a DB app with front end Beginners, especially children, will want to learn how to write a GUI front end to a simple, DB-based app, as well as numeric algorithms, so they can do something of minor use on their preferred OS. Or develop something for their mother's preferred OS, which is going to be Windows. Or just doing this with WinAmp playing their favourite music. Or whilst typing on MSN. Or whilst searching the web for hints. It'd be better if the programming environment ran in the OS they are used to. Besides, rebooting into another OS, even direct off a DVD, running the language then rebooting again is still a barrier compared to just running the language. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #267,650 by admin 9/15/06 12:31:50 PM Reply	Not a kid. Kids could care less about useful or databases. My son wanted to write games and goofy stuff (like secret code prompts, Q & A programs, etc). At the point when he started, he had to go into the other room and boot the Windows machine to use GameMaker (ironic, non?). This was not a barrier to him. He's a kid. Do you have any experience watching kids learn to program, or are you just guessing here? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #267,652 by drewk 9/15/06 12:42:35 PM Reply	Anything with a GUI is already a game === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #267,656 by warmachine 9/15/06 12:54:39 PM Reply	So, he was using a Windows environment? Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #268,444 by jb4 9/23/06 1:07:27 PM Reply	Had same idea, but thought of Cygwin You can download a free GCC that speaks some variant of about 6 different "line-programming languages", including (gak!) FORTRAN. Haven't looked recently, but there may even be a BASIC interpreter inthere somewhere. And we can argue for weeks about the relative merits of C, but since it is (still) the lingua franca of lingua francas, Ben should probabaly look at that as a starting point. jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #268,451 by drewk 9/23/06 3:16:43 PM Reply	Solving the wrong problem I don't think he's interested in training another coder with the current industry standard. He wants to teach him good, basic (no pun intended) theory. Pointers and memory management are implementation details that you'd have to learn first, before you ever get to focus on the logic of it. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #268,594 by jb4 9/25/06 8:34:41 AM Reply	Point taken... ...so to eliminate that, and yet have a language that surpasses toy status, one could try FORTRAN. No pointers, no data structures (well, that's not entirely true, but is Ben's brain going to be rotted with COMMON segments at that tender age? I rather think not), and a syntax that, like BASIC's, only a mother could love. The only downside to FORTRAN vis-a-vis BASIC is the dreaded, gawd-awful FORMAT statement. But Ben's clever enough to handle that, innit he? jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06

'Why Johnny can't code' - by er, David Brin. In Salon. - (Ashton) - (35) - Sept. 14, 2006, 08:40:35 PM EDT

whats wrong with asembler? - (boxley) - Sept. 14, 2006, 08:51:03 PM EDT

Cute, but... - (admin) - (17) - Sept. 14, 2006, 11:22:49 PM EDT

Novices don't know Linux - (warmachine) - (16) - Sept. 15, 2006, 05:32:51 AM EDT

Novices didn't know the Atari either - (admin) - (11) - Sept. 15, 2006, 07:58:26 AM EDT

Most novices have Windows but not Linux - (warmachine) - (10) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:18:29 AM EDT

Live CDs are nice. - (admin) - (9) - Sept. 15, 2006, 10:08:11 AM EDT

Why bother with a different OS to learn basic programming? - (warmachine) - (8) - Sept. 15, 2006, 11:42:37 AM EDT

What's there to learn? - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 15, 2006, 11:49:00 AM EDT

How to write a DB app with front end - (warmachine) - (3) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:22:22 PM EDT

Not a kid. - (admin) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:31:50 PM EDT

Anything with a GUI is *already* a game -NT - (drewk) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:42:35 PM EDT

So, he was using a Windows environment? -NT - (warmachine) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:54:39 PM EDT

Had same idea, but thought of Cygwin - (jb4) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2006, 01:07:27 PM EDT

Solving the wrong problem - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2006, 03:16:43 PM EDT

Point taken... - (jb4) - Sept. 25, 2006, 08:34:41 AM EDT

A beginner's programming language will have to be on YouTube - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 15, 2006, 08:22:49 AM EDT

My son got started because of video games - (admin) - Sept. 15, 2006, 08:37:09 AM EDT

(Almost) same here - (drewk) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:16:18 AM EDT

Robots - Mindstorm, etc - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:48:00 PM EDT

BASIC???? - I shudder! - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Sept. 14, 2006, 11:23:16 PM EDT

BASIC is not that bad. - (static) - Sept. 14, 2006, 11:27:57 PM EDT

How wonderfully biased you are... - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 14, 2006, 11:36:08 PM EDT

The first language I learned was BASIC - and . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:00:31 AM EDT

Thus proving my point. - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:09:48 AM EDT

Well that it can . . . if you're paying attention. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:15:57 AM EDT

I started on BASIC as well - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:34:55 AM EDT

I used to do the same, as an adult :-) -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:11:38 PM EDT

And I, too...although it was called FOCAL on a PDP-8 - (jb4) - Sept. 23, 2006, 01:10:45 PM EDT

Just use some old version of Delphi or VB - (warmachine) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 02:49:07 AM EDT

same here - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 15, 2006, 08:26:24 AM EDT

PHP - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:16:28 AM EDT

I still like Pascal for teaching - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:17:08 AM EDT

The "Advanced C " columnist in Computer Languages . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 15, 2006, 11:07:45 AM EDT

Ick - FWIW they're trying to get Squeak on the $100 PC - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:46:14 PM EDT

You just need to know where to look - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:03:33 PM EDT

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