Post #267,338
9/12/06 2:12:20 PM
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Major nit.
Only an existing, police surveillance or a military warning system could have prevented the WTC destruction. Actually all it would have taken was for the "screeners" (read: fatass, least-common-denominator payrollers) at Logan to have done their job to prevent the WTC destruction. The thing people like Nightey and especially Der Berk et al seem to forget was that there was already enough "security" at the airports to have stopped the hijackings. All we needed is for that "security" to have actually done their jobs, and Berk-boy gets run out of office in 2004 for a failed domestic "policy", dropping the f-bomb in public and draping statues in the Capitol building. jb4
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Post #267,408
9/13/06 12:05:39 AM
9/13/06 12:26:51 AM
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Re: Major nit.
Only an existing, police surveillance or a military warning system could have prevented the WTC destruction.
...The thing people like Nightey and especially Der Berk et al seem to forget was that there was already enough "security" at the airports to have stopped the hijackings. All we needed is for that "security" to have actually done their jobs... BINGO! I haven't forgetten that, that is what I've been trying to say! That we aren't any safer now than we were then in regards to what the Government has done or will do, and that the concept of truly safe doesn't exist. And I was adding that when I came to that conclusion, the only thing I realized from it, was it is your actions that keeps you the safest, by being careful and protecting yourself when you can, NOT the Government. I was trying to write it in a sarcastic manner, but I'm not good at that I guess. ;) Ah well, I never was. Brenda
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Edited by Nightowl
Sept. 13, 2006, 12:26:51 AM EDT
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Post #267,449
9/13/06 1:37:19 PM
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Use the Sign, Luke...
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
— Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
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Post #267,510
9/14/06 12:22:34 AM
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Re: Use the Sign, Luke...
Sorry,
I don't know the html commands to create it. :)
Brenda
"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
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"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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Post #267,511
9/14/06 12:36:29 AM
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[sarcasm] is all you need (with WeeCodes on).
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Post #267,930
9/18/06 11:54:06 AM
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Don't forget airline policy.
Airline policy prior to 9/11 was to accommodate hijackers. When that changed, the chance of a repeat 9/11 involving airliners vanished.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #267,932
9/18/06 12:03:14 PM
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Correct...so now MO is back to blowing them up in flight.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #267,948
9/18/06 12:31:45 PM
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Do we care?
Blowing up in flight is really not all that bad. Suppose all 4 airliners had been blown up instead of hitting their targets? Minor loss of life really, when one considers how many died in autos in September, 2001: 3,300
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #267,960
9/18/06 1:31:09 PM
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Reminds me of stat we quoted
when I worked in Army Payroll. 99.9% of the checks (pre direct deposit) were delivered on time.
And then some added... But what if you were the .1%...
In this case, do we care? What if it's you, your spouse, child, or parent(s) on board. Do we still not care?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
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Post #267,969
9/18/06 2:07:37 PM
9/18/06 2:09:34 PM
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You missed my point, I think.
If we really cared about dead Americans, then we'd do something about using late 19th and early 20th century technology as our primary means of transportation in the 21st century. We lost 2800 to a terrorist attack in September, 2001. Our reaction? Shred the Constitution, elect a President and Vice President who actively lobby for torture, etc. ad mucho nauseum. But, the automobile kills more people each and every single month than terrorists did in that one month. Our reaction? Zip. Nada. IOW, "we" don't care.
{Edit: typo?)
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Edited by mmoffitt
Sept. 18, 2006, 02:08:50 PM EDT
Edited by mmoffitt
Sept. 18, 2006, 02:09:34 PM EDT
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Post #267,981
9/18/06 3:43:40 PM
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Must have
Thought you were advocating shooting down hijacked airplanes cuz loss of live was less than potential disaster.
Mea culpa
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Post #267,985
9/18/06 3:58:16 PM
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Rough deal on the passengers...
...but it'd make great TV.
You just know that someone at Fox has had that thought.
Peter
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Post #267,987
9/18/06 4:04:59 PM
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Of course they have
Why else would the AirForce have new color cams installed in all the attack aircraft?
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Post #267,983
9/18/06 3:57:54 PM
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It's not the technology.
Fact is, American drivers crash a lot because they're badly educated.
We drive much the same cars (minus some of the true monsters) in more crowded conditions over here and we crash less. A lot less. About 10% as much, in fact.
The difference? We have harder, more rigorous driver testing (which is still inadequate, imho).
Peter
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Post #267,986
9/18/06 4:03:32 PM
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American Driving Test
Part 1. The written test.
1) what color means stop?
2) What color means go?
3) What is your name?
If you get two right you pass.
Part II. The driving test
1) Start the car.
2) Turn on the lights.
3) Honk the horn.
4) Work the turn signals.
5) Drive around the block without hitting anything.
Get 80% or better to pass.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
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Post #267,999
9/18/06 6:49:36 PM
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dont drive around the block in georgia
setup of pylons, drive nose in, back in a 3 point turn to reverse then parrelel park on the next set of pylons. None of them go down you have a license.
thanx,
bill
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Post #267,993
9/18/06 5:46:25 PM
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I've always *Loved* the L-plate!
For Muricans -Learner == a big-L prominently displayed near license plate.
It's just so freaking Sane:
A new driver needs to be educated; the other drivers need to be warned.
..now throw in the Competitive Edge: that L- guy (especially) NEEDS to get that sucker off his Aston-Martin S.A.P. - so he graduates to the Hard test S.A.P. Duh.
Muricans just Do Not Get the really hard stuff - like this.
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Post #268,007
9/18/06 8:45:02 PM
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They don't do that in the US? Eek!
Here we have L's while you're learning, and nowadays we have a two phases of "P" (Provisional) plates. Red P-Plates for (at least) the first twelve months, and after passing another test, on to Green P-Plates for a further two years.
The tests I believe still aren't great, but probably an improvement from when I was learning to drive.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #268,018
9/18/06 9:38:03 PM
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I suppose this can be overdone
But I (still) like the idea inculcated into the supplicant:
We Shall reTest you (twice yet.)
Now if the tests aren't 'very good' - I guess I'd deem this a rare situation where even a crappy 'test' has the necessary psych effect. So your folks could, in time, clean up their act - we don't even Have an act.
We are absurd about this stuff.. driving today in US needs some of the wisdom of Nuvolari, Fangio - just to dodge the cell-zombies in suspended animation, so in love with the mouth. On-ramps need some real seat/pants basic physics Experience (real-slow/cautious is as bad as juvenile bravado.)
I no words.
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Post #268,021
9/18/06 9:59:58 PM
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when I drive here I assume that everyone on the road
is attempting to kill me. Keeps you alert and is probably inadvertantly true.,
thanx,
bill
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Post #268,048
9/19/06 11:36:37 AM
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Agree. But that's not the only reason.
I'd wager that the average Murican spends a lot more time in an automobile than the average European. Part of it is cultural (we don't live in the bad cities, but work there. We live 30-50 miles away and the only means of transporation to/from work is our auto). Part of it is geography. But the biggest part, imo, is the absolutely insane "American love of the automobile." So intense is this ludicrous "love of the auto" here that it overrides the death and destruction this worst human invention has foisted upon us. Several years ago I went to Washington and saw the Viet Nam War Memorial with a friend. He said, "Look at that. Look at the waste, the ultimate stupidity." I replied, "Yes. But consider the size of the monument we'd have to erect to memorialize all the US dead from automobiles during the same period. It would be 15 times the size of this one. That's ultimate stupidity."
bcnu,
Mikem
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