Re: I believe I understand why you have a problem

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Post #26,360 by wharris2 1/29/02 2:35:10 PM Reply	Re: I believe I understand why you have a problem Problem with "code complete" is that he describes a programmatic lifestyle that Microsoft seems not to have embraced. "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #26,396 by ben_tilly 1/29/02 4:04:15 PM Reply	Well, my philosophy says... Their failure to follow their own good advice is no reason for me not to follow it. :-) Cheers, Ben PS That is, of course, if I think the advice is good. Which I do in this case.

How non-OO people think. - (Arkadiy) - (90) - Jan. 29, 2002, 10:04:49 AM EST

I just don't get OO design decisions - (tablizer) - (88) - Jan. 29, 2002, 10:47:05 AM EST

I believe I understand why you have a problem - (ben_tilly) - (21) - Jan. 29, 2002, 12:53:33 PM EST

Re: I believe I understand why you have a problem - (wharris2) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2002, 02:35:10 PM EST

Well, my philosophy says... - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 29, 2002, 04:04:15 PM EST

ADT's and Coddlets - (tablizer) - (18) - Jan. 29, 2002, 05:27:14 PM EST

Coddlets? - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Jan. 30, 2002, 10:23:26 AM EST

From the context: Applets + Codd = "Coddlets". - (CRConrad) - (9) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:12:02 PM EST

And "little snippets of data structures" make no sence to me -NT - (Arkadiy) - (8) - Jan. 30, 2002, 02:19:53 PM EST

Me neither - but don't blame me; it's *his* concept! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 30, 2002, 05:12:56 PM EST

Virtual Structures - (tablizer) - (6) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:23:51 PM EST

I understand all words - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:27:03 PM EST

how about this then - (tablizer) - (4) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:59:35 PM EST

Odd. Not a single mention of "coddlet" anywhere. - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:39:25 PM EST

"A formula for a pattern or structure" -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:19:20 PM EST

Still odd. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:36:22 PM EST

Jay, where is your "Roles" link? -NT - (tablizer) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:03:01 PM EST

I think you would prefer what Code Complete has to say - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:00:53 AM EST

You must think in *Russian*! Think in *RUSSIAN*! - (admin) - (2) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:11:07 AM EST

Firefox, Clint Eastwood and the semi-telepathic MiG. - (CRConrad) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:17:43 PM EST

Second, was FireFox. (book was better than movie) -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Jan. 30, 2002, 12:16:44 PM EST

Abstraction level is relative and graph-like IMO - (tablizer) - (2) - Jan. 30, 2002, 02:25:20 PM EST

Nested abstractions do work in business - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 31, 2002, 10:18:01 AM EST

"Layers" is not appropriate for the most part - (tablizer) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:41:57 PM EST

That's not the kind of post I 'd like to get... - (Arkadiy) - (65) - Jan. 30, 2002, 11:01:55 AM EST

Why the Tree focus? - (tablizer) - (64) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:46:14 PM EST

No tree focus. - (Arkadiy) - (63) - Jan. 31, 2002, 01:59:03 PM EST

Have you thot of tables? - (tablizer) - (62) - Jan. 31, 2002, 04:36:56 PM EST

Not relevant. - (Arkadiy) - (61) - Jan. 31, 2002, 05:03:35 PM EST

what is wrong with them? - (tablizer) - (60) - Jan. 31, 2002, 09:16:05 PM EST

Bryce, please pay attention. - (static) - (3) - Jan. 31, 2002, 09:22:37 PM EST

seperation of concerns - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2002, 11:56:28 PM EST

Duh! - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:39:10 PM EST

Perhaps p/r is moving above that -NT - (tablizer) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:00:19 PM EST

Bryce, Static is right. - (Arkadiy) - (55) - Feb. 1, 2002, 09:48:27 AM EST

what is the goal? - (tablizer) - (54) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:01:44 PM EST

The goal is to further the discussion. - (Arkadiy) - (53) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:17:31 PM EST

that depends - (tablizer) - (52) - Feb. 1, 2002, 02:54:50 PM EST

OK, getting somewhere. - (Arkadiy) - (51) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:35:06 PM EST

Now THAT is the crux.... - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2002, 03:59:28 PM EST

only one fact here - (tablizer) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:13:47 PM EST

I disagree - (tablizer) - (48) - Feb. 1, 2002, 10:04:19 PM EST

May be. - (Arkadiy) - (47) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:24:21 PM EST

the calculation complexity may not even matter here - (tablizer) - (46) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:14:00 PM EST

It does not matter indeed. - (Arkadiy) - (45) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:52:14 PM EST

Regional Scope to the Rescue - (tablizer) - (44) - Feb. 3, 2002, 01:05:55 PM EST

Regional Scope - ok. - (Arkadiy) - (43) - Feb. 4, 2002, 10:40:53 AM EST

I think so - (tablizer) - (42) - Feb. 4, 2002, 01:31:55 PM EST

It was really C, not C++ - (Arkadiy) - (41) - Feb. 4, 2002, 04:38:07 PM EST

Welcome to Table Land - (tablizer) - (40) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:37:26 PM EST

So, each clone's data is a row? - (Arkadiy) - (39) - Feb. 4, 2002, 07:49:55 PM EST

Multiple Entity Association Candidates - (tablizer) - (38) - Feb. 4, 2002, 09:13:21 PM EST

Re: Multiple Entity Association Candidates - (Arkadiy) - (37) - Feb. 5, 2002, 10:15:25 AM EST

Genericness - (tablizer) - (36) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:55:43 AM EST

Expressing problem domain - (Arkadiy) - (35) - Feb. 5, 2002, 02:13:09 PM EST

Misunderstanding - (tablizer) - (28) - Feb. 5, 2002, 08:03:45 PM EST

Actual numbers don't matter much. - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:47:48 AM EST

Spoken Language? - (tablizer) - (17) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:43:02 PM EST

Re: Spoken Language? - (Arkadiy) - (16) - Feb. 6, 2002, 10:46:35 PM EST

Hmmmm. Verbal thinkers versus visual thinkers - (tablizer) - (10) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:51:58 AM EST

Seems like end of conversation, then. - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2002, 10:34:38 AM EST

See also Stephenson, In The Beginning Was The Command Line.. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2002, 12:47:29 PM EST

Actually, I like command lines - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:10:58 PM EST

Noted. - (static) - Feb. 7, 2002, 08:07:43 PM EST

Can our differences really be all that simple? - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:46:35 PM EST

Simple? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:37:57 AM EST

Compared to others, yes. - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 01:00:37 PM EST

On visual thinking. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:38:14 AM EST

mooooo - (tablizer) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:06:47 PM EST

I've heard her speak.. - (Ashton) - Feb. 17, 2002, 10:44:11 PM EST

Sp: "Swahili". Kwaheri, Jambo! - (CRConrad) - (3) - Feb. 7, 2002, 05:58:53 AM EST

I've had enuf of your irrelevent, speghetti insolts :-) -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:43:56 PM EST

Hey Bryce, I was just over on /. and revisited an old... - (CRConrad) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:55:34 AM EST

Okay, you are off the hook - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:11:29 PM EST

Re: Spoken Language? - (pwhysall) - Feb. 7, 2002, 07:54:21 AM EST

Nothing else is possible with you. - (CRConrad) - (8) - Feb. 6, 2002, 11:05:49 AM EST

Did you notice... - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:20:44 PM EST

What're you talking about?!? I called a mind (yours) "good"! -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - Feb. 6, 2002, 12:53:07 PM EST

Thank you. - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2002, 01:43:04 PM EST

More like the other way around... - (CRConrad) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2002, 02:14:26 PM EST

Right you are. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2002, 03:16:12 PM EST

Actually, you are right too... - (CRConrad) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:30:26 PM EST

not think like me == bad mind ? - (tablizer) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:54:59 PM EST

Walk Before Run - (tablizer) - Feb. 6, 2002, 06:48:43 PM EST

A classic real world example: Brooklyn Union Gas - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2002, 02:43:16 PM EST

One case proves nothing - (tablizer) - (4) - Feb. 7, 2002, 09:35:34 PM EST

Re: One case proves nothing - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Feb. 8, 2002, 12:57:32 PM EST

ad-hoc - (tablizer) - (2) - Feb. 8, 2002, 08:21:27 PM EST

Re: ad-hoc - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2002, 09:29:58 PM EST

English Oriented Programming - (tablizer) - Feb. 8, 2002, 11:05:54 PM EST

How I think in Non-OO terms - (nking) - Jan. 29, 2002, 03:18:39 PM EST

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