Post #255,281
5/12/06 4:45:54 PM
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I call bullshit.
Give it more than 18 hours, word the poll so people know what they responding to, (did it even mention the word illegal?) and you'll see vastly different numbers. Glenn Greenwald has a very good [link|http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/polling-hysteria-and-nsa-program.html|take] on this.
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Post #255,283
5/12/06 5:16:03 PM
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Seconded
I notice that they don't mention the exact text of the polling question. It's all in how you phrase it.
Tom Sinclair
"This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here."
-- The Bursar is a man under a *lot* of stress
(Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
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Post #255,284
5/12/06 5:28:22 PM
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Here ya go.
I agree the poll is meaningless as it comes so soon after the news, but [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_nsa_051206.htm|here's the details]: This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone May 11, 2006 among 502 randomly selected adults nationwide. Margin of sampling error for overall results is plus or minus four percentage points. The practical difficulties of doing a survey in a single evening represent other potential sources of error in this or any other overnight poll. Fieldwork by TNS of Horsham, PA.
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45. It's been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?
5/11/06
---------- Acceptable ----------- Unacceptable ------ No Opinion
NET Strongly Somewhat NET Somewhat Strongly
63.......41.........22.......35......11.........24...........2
46. If you found out that the NSA had a record of phone numbers that you yourself have called, would that bother you, or not? IF YES: Would it bother you a lot, or just somewhat?
-----------------------Yes------------
------------NET----A lot------Somewhat-----No-----No opin.
5/11/06......34......24..........10........66........*
47. Do you think it is right or wrong for the news media to have disclosed this secret government program?
------------Right------Wrong-----No opin.
5/11/06......56..........42.........1 Beware of telephone polls taken on a single night with such a small population.... "Collecting the phone call records" sounds rather innocuous, doesn't it. :-( Cheers, Scott.
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Post #255,285
5/12/06 5:43:07 PM
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Just got off the phone with Verizon
I wanted to find out when our current contract expires and what the penalty was for early termination.
The service rep told me that every call she had taken today was asking the same thing.
I asked her if she knew why. She said she didn't.
I explained the NSA thing. She had heard of that but asked me if I knew it was only lists of calls made, not eavesdropping. I said it didn't matter, it was still a violation of the SCA and Verizon et al could potentially be liable for $1000/violation.
She told me that the government made them do it.
I said it didn't matter, it's still illegal. I told her that Verizon essentially got punked by the Feds. Now we can't sue the Feds over this, but we can sure sue the telcos.
All in all, it was a surprisingly friendly conversation. She didn't take it personally and I stayed very polite.
So, T-Mobile is starting to look good. Anyone have recommendations for alternate providers?
Tom Sinclair
"This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here."
-- The Bursar is a man under a *lot* of stress
(Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
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Post #255,286
5/12/06 6:25:43 PM
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By chance I just ordered Vonage a couple days ago
Because I'm sick of Qwest's crummy service.
Yes, I know its potentially less secure - or is it?
We'll soon see.
[link|http://www.blackbagops.net|Black Bag Operations Log]
[link|http://www.objectiveclips.com|Artificial Intelligence]
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Post #255,295
5/12/06 8:33:32 PM
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Quest is the one that did not turn over the call records.
And all internet traffic is monitored.
Got any more ideas?
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #255,297
5/12/06 8:58:53 PM
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... and the NSA is really good at listening to stuff too.
[link|http://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm|Signals Intelligence].
The only thing that keeps them from using the same techniques in the USA are the law (and its sometimes selective interpretation)...
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #255,320
5/13/06 2:45:59 AM
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PGP VOIP?
Its early but from what I can see, streaming voice data isn't so easy to intercept and analyze.
I could be wrong. I do expect to be able to add encryption tunnels.
I ditched Qwest for several other reasons involving non-performance. Frankly, I suspect they didn't comply because they don't have the technical skills to.
[link|http://www.blackbagops.net|Black Bag Operations Log]
[link|http://www.objectiveclips.com|Artificial Intelligence]
[link|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html|Scrutinizer]
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Post #255,325
5/13/06 3:10:59 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #255324 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255324|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #255,336
5/13/06 11:29:10 AM
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they do,cdr's are the most reliable piece of the technology
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Post #255,337
5/13/06 11:31:55 AM
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thinking of filing an FCC complaint if a few others followed
att, bell south, verizon
company has handed over my private information withput legal authority
want my number scrubbed from any data illegally handed over to the federal government
a couple of million complaints like that and a lawyer will be smelling class action
thanx,
bill
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Post #255,361
5/13/06 2:49:10 PM
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Sounds like a good idea to me
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #255,405
5/14/06 1:18:15 AM
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Get on board.
[link|http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/iwon-com/news-story.asp?guid=%7B501DBACD-B34C-4246-9EDB-604BB4FAADD9%7D| Link] AT&T Corp., BellSouth Corp and Verizon Telecommunications are facing lawsuits seeking billions of dollars in damages for the decision to turn over calling records to the government, the New York Times reported Saturday.
A federal lawsuit was filed in Manhattan yesterday seeking as much as $50 billion in civil damages against Verizon on behalf of its subscribers.
Under telecommunications law, the phone companies are at risk for at least $1,000 per person whose records they disclosed without a court order, according to Orin Kerr, a former federal prosecutor and assistant professor at George Washington University
The telecommunications companies allegedly complied with an effort by the National Security Agency to build a vast database of calling records, without warrants, to increase its surveillance capabilities after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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