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Post #255,283 by tjsinclair 5/12/06 5:16:03 PM Reply	Seconded I notice that they don't mention the exact text of the polling question. It's all in how you phrase it. Tom Sinclair "This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here." -- The Bursar is a man under a lot of stress (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #255,284 by Another Scott 5/12/06 5:28:22 PM Reply	Here ya go. I agree the poll is meaningless as it comes so soon after the news, but [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_nsa_051206.htm\|here's the details]: This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone May 11, 2006 among 502 randomly selected adults nationwide. Margin of sampling error for overall results is plus or minus four percentage points. The practical difficulties of doing a survey in a single evening represent other potential sources of error in this or any other overnight poll. Fieldwork by TNS of Horsham, PA. [...] 45. It's been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat? 5/11/06 ---------- Acceptable ----------- Unacceptable ------ No Opinion NET Strongly Somewhat NET Somewhat Strongly 63.......41.........22.......35......11.........24...........2 46. If you found out that the NSA had a record of phone numbers that you yourself have called, would that bother you, or not? IF YES: Would it bother you a lot, or just somewhat? -----------------------Yes------------ ------------NET----A lot------Somewhat-----No-----No opin. 5/11/06......34......24..........10........66........* 47. Do you think it is right or wrong for the news media to have disclosed this secret government program? ------------Right------Wrong-----No opin. 5/11/06......56..........42.........1 Beware of telephone polls taken on a single night with such a small population.... "Collecting the phone call records" sounds rather innocuous, doesn't it. :-( Cheers, Scott.
Post #255,285 by tjsinclair 5/12/06 5:43:07 PM Reply	Just got off the phone with Verizon I wanted to find out when our current contract expires and what the penalty was for early termination. The service rep told me that every call she had taken today was asking the same thing. I asked her if she knew why. She said she didn't. I explained the NSA thing. She had heard of that but asked me if I knew it was only lists of calls made, not eavesdropping. I said it didn't matter, it was still a violation of the SCA and Verizon et al could potentially be liable for $1000/violation. She told me that the government made them do it. I said it didn't matter, it's still illegal. I told her that Verizon essentially got punked by the Feds. Now we can't sue the Feds over this, but we can sure sue the telcos. All in all, it was a surprisingly friendly conversation. She didn't take it personally and I stayed very polite. So, T-Mobile is starting to look good. Anyone have recommendations for alternate providers? Tom Sinclair "This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here." -- The Bursar is a man under a lot of stress (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #255,286 by tuberculosis 5/12/06 6:25:43 PM Reply	By chance I just ordered Vonage a couple days ago Because I'm sick of Qwest's crummy service. Yes, I know its potentially less secure - or is it? We'll soon see. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #255,295 by a6l6e6x 5/12/06 8:33:32 PM Reply	Quest is the one that did not turn over the call records. And all internet traffic is monitored. Got any more ideas? Alex When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
Post #255,297 by Another Scott 5/12/06 8:58:53 PM Reply	... and the NSA is really good at listening to stuff too. [link\|http://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm\|Signals Intelligence]. The only thing that keeps them from using the same techniques in the USA are the law (and its sometimes selective interpretation)... Cheers, Scott.
Post #255,320 by tuberculosis 5/13/06 2:45:59 AM Reply	PGP VOIP? Its early but from what I can see, streaming voice data isn't so easy to intercept and analyze. I could be wrong. I do expect to be able to add encryption tunnels. I ditched Qwest for several other reasons involving non-performance. Frankly, I suspect they didn't comply because they don't have the technical skills to. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #255,325 by ben_tilly 5/13/06 3:10:59 AM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #255324 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255324\|ICLRPD] I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #255,336 by boxley 5/13/06 11:29:10 AM Reply	they do,cdr's are the most reliable piece of the technology Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep

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