Post #255,041
5/11/06 9:22:19 AM
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And there are some very cool solutions
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For some reason, this tech is not catching on. The virtual meeting rooms like I linked to above are missing only the ability to smell the nasty breath of the people you're meeting with...but I guess folks just like stinky breath.
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Post #255,045
5/11/06 9:44:42 AM
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Two things they lack:
Security and deniability.
You can't very well have a back-room meeting and then deny it if all of the support people know about it as well.
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Post #255,046
5/11/06 9:46:16 AM
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Also, a key element, unacknowledged by many but definitely
there, is the social dimension of business meetings. That kind of tech would cause that to suffer, and one thing about human beings is that they will go to great lengths to maintain their social contact with other human beings.
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Post #255,048
5/11/06 9:57:09 AM
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Also, could be recorded!
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Post #255,052
5/11/06 10:46:54 AM
5/11/06 6:03:45 PM
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They are missing some other things as well
Like the ability to hand the other person a piece of paper.
But the biggest thing that is missing is a fact of geography. Suppose we have a meeting for 6 people, and 5 are physically present. The 6th person will only be there for the official meeting. The other 5 will discuss the meeting before and after, and those discussions will set a context for and around the meeting.
No video conferencing solution can get the 6th person to participate in that unofficial activity. So unless everyone videoconferences in, the ones who do are effectively left out of a significant portion of the meeting.
Cheers,
Ben
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Edited by ben_tilly
May 11, 2006, 06:03:45 PM EDT
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Post #255,053
5/11/06 10:49:27 AM
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That was exactly my point
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Post #255,137
5/11/06 5:55:53 PM
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So, to summarise:
The only people in a VC meeting are the people in the VC meeting.
And the people not in the meeting aren't in the meeting.
The needs of the person not in the meeting can be met by a device called a "telephone".
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Post #255,138
5/11/06 6:04:41 PM
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That wasn't a summary - that was missing the point.
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Post #255,140
5/11/06 6:12:00 PM
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No, I didn't.
You missed my point that I made in my initial post, which was that sometimes VC won't do, but most of the time, it will.
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Post #255,150
5/11/06 6:54:02 PM
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Look at who I was responding to
I was responding to Bill Patient's post, not yours.
In other words I wasn't saying that videoconferencing is not often sufficient, I was saying what videoconferencing doesn't provide that physically being there does. (Besides exposure to people's bad breath.)
As for whether videoconferencing is often sufficient, I'd say that that really depends on what you're doing. For instance for a sales person, the act of showing up demonstrates your seriousness. Using videoconferencing suggests that you don't really care. With a big sale, that could be the difference between closing or not closing. Physically shipping sales people around therefore makes a lot of sense.
However for trying to sort out project details, I agree that video conferencing is usually enough.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #255,144
5/11/06 6:30:46 PM
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ICLRPD that wasn't a summary - that was missing the point. (new thread)
Created as new thread #255143 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255143|ICLRPD that wasn't a summary - that was missing the point.]
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