Being PC is more secure than profiling

Post #254,352 by ben_tilly 5/3/06 11:08:22 PM Reply	Being PC is more secure than profiling If there is a clear profile that is searched, all that bad guys have to do is find people who don't fit the profile to do the job. See [link\|http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/6095/student-papers/spring02-papers/caps.htm\|http://swiss.csail.m...2-papers/caps.htm] for details. In fact the terrorists did this in 9/11. A big reason why so many of the people participating were Saudi is that they knew that people from Saudi Arabia had expedited visa procedures. Secondly they actually did a dry run before the real one to verify that they wouldn't be caught. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #254,408 by bepatient 5/4/06 12:05:08 PM Reply	There is random..then there is random There are obvious times with the random aspect lands on a non-starter. Infant tickets, 80 year old grandma from Wisconsin, etc. Completely unecessary screenings. There are also pretty solid statistics on age/sex profiles of suicide bombers and some pretty telltale signs. [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/opinion/28sperry.html?ex=1280203200&en=4cc1386247dcd8f0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss\|http://www.nytimes.c...suserland&emc=rss] Our problem is that we can't keep our collective mouths shut. Of course, if we establish a profile, we will be compelled to shout it off the highest rooftop so that everyone knows EXACTLY what we are looking for...and then it will obviously be a damned simple exersize to subvert. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #254,422 by ben_tilly 5/4/06 1:19:36 PM Reply	We don't have to tell anyone our profile If we're using profiles, it is easy to figure it out from what we do. And then becomes easy to subvert. Also 80 year old grandma isn't necessarily an unnecessary screening. You never know, she might be carrying an "interesting package" from her son-in-law. And if we're screening everyone else, don't think that terrorists won't think of that angle. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #254,450 by bepatient 5/4/06 4:57:31 PM Reply	Not so simple because your article also points out the other necessary ingredient...which is an intelligent set of screeners and a process that does stray from the profile often enough to make it less evident. Its essentially a combination of approaches. And I'll take my chances on that 80 year old Wisconsin woman's son before I'll take a chance on an 18-26 yr old male smelling of flower water and being recently shaven. In the meantime, we're all chatting about something that is irrelevent...because it is highly unlikely that this plot will be repeated, ever...basically due to the door reinforcements making it near impossible for a small group of people to gain control of the aircraft. Bombs are the possibility now...and THAT we should be able to catch with current tech...but since we all think $99 round trip is a God-given right...its likely we won't see that tech fully deployed anytime soon. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #254,482 by pwhysall 5/5/06 1:55:31 AM Reply	Technology isn't the answer Well-trained, motivated people is the answer. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #254,489 by jake123 5/5/06 3:47:26 AM Reply	Yeah, but that would mean that you'd have to pay them well, and we can't have that. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------

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