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New so if there was no default then....
by the logic above

most users couldn't search


would that be better

I'd guess most of them have no idea what the box is for
I see mine punching in google or yahoo all the time

A
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New Not quite
cuz everyone knows how to google or yahoo, which they would continue to do. But if they have to change something to do so, they'll just use whatever is the default.
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New Some Info
1) if they go to google and are using IE7 a big red arrow from google
comes up pointing to the search box and telling them they can change the
default to google

2) as I stated before, if they are going to google or yahoo or wherever
then they are not using the box for anything (which if the users are as
ignorant as most of the posts in this thread imply then that if exactly
what the box is "used" for)

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New Irrelevant.
It's all about the law. What users *can* do doesn't matter.


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New This deserves to be framed and hung
"What users *can* do doesn't matter."

Indeed.

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New ?
Users *can* just install Firefox.

Users *can* just install Linux.

Users *can* just buy a Mac.

I'm not sure I get your point.


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New Wasn't it your point to begin with?
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New Indeed
But I'm not convinced it's the point that Ark took away from the post.


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New None of my points are very flattering
It does not matter that people are lazy and stupid
The law will fix it.


Or, it doe not matter that users can now do much more than they used to. We must have a law to ensure the ideal state, when those users can do _everything_ in the best possible way.

There might be a couple more.

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New You've missed my point entirely.


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New Better idea.
First time IE starts, a dialog box pops up with major search engines, asking user to select one for the default search.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New Better better idea.
Make sure it's a multi-select, and not a drop-down (with MSN pre-selected, natch).

Otherwise the user will just hit "OK" and be done with it. They should have to pick from a list before continuing.
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New Go read up about having a monopoly
And what you can and cannot do once you have one.

While it's not illegal to have a monopoly in one or more markets, it's highly not legal to use that monopoly to leverage your entry or marketshare in another.

In this case, MSIE having a default search option of MSN is leverage the OS/Browser monopoly in order to increase marketshare in the search market.

Google and Firefox are not at all in the same position (Firefox doesn't own Google, and doesn't have any kind of monopoly).

Just saying "it's configurable" is no defence.


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New Come on, Andy, not even you are that dense
Matriculated at the BeeP School of Applied Rhetoric, did you? I see you mastered in Reductio ad Absurdum. Congratulations....
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     New Microsoft Browser Raises Google's Hackles - (bluke) - (37)
         Old school MS tactic - (JayMehaffey)
         Open letter to Google: This surprises you how? luv, jb4 -NT - (jb4)
         Google Whines about nothing - (andread) - (30)
             Microsoft doesn't care that you know how to change it. - (Andrew Grygus)
             Re: Google Whines about nothing - (pwhysall)
             Mysterious dupe. - (pwhysall) - (16)
                 whaddya mean? Ady has bin around fer ages - (boxley) - (15)
                     Things are different once you've been found to have a Monop. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                         so if there was no default then.... - (andread) - (13)
                             Not quite - (jbrabeck) - (10)
                                 Some Info - (andread) - (9)
                                     Irrelevant. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                         This deserves to be framed and hung - (Arkadiy) - (5)
                                             ? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                 Wasn't it your point to begin with? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                                     Indeed - (pwhysall)
                                                 None of my points are very flattering - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                                     You've missed my point entirely. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                     Better idea. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                         Better better idea. - (admin)
                             Go read up about having a monopoly - (pwhysall)
                             Come on, Andy, not even you are that dense - (jb4)
             So, Andrea Dear, you *still* claim not to be an M$ $hill...? -NT - (CRConrad) - (10)
                 Burn the Witch! Burn The Witch! - (altmann) - (2)
                     Bullpucky. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Another Memo from the Chuckles at the DFSS - (andread)
                 Welcome to the 21st century, Chuckles -NT - (andread) - (6)
                     You mean, where the new boss is the same as the old boss... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         To be replaced with what? - (andread) - (4)
                             I work for a largish firm - (boxley) - (3)
                                 Oh, jeez... Remedy is pretty bad. - (admin) - (2)
                                     At least it's not Track-It. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                     not a useful web interface :-) -NT - (boxley)
         OEMs have control, FWIW - (altmann) - (1)
             Microsoft would like to change that -NT - (ben_tilly)
         Turn about is fair play? - (ChrisR) - (1)
             Like we did with the "SCO" search term? -NT - (folkert)

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