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New Google Whines about nothing
it took almost 20 seconds to change the default to google
MS provides a site to help you change
sinister bastards aren't they

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New Microsoft doesn't care that you know how to change it.
They know full well only a tiny percentage of users will change any defaults whatever - the majority because they're afraid to. I used to see a fair number of machines that still displayed Windows 98 install welcome message because people were afraid to click the little check mark off.

Most of the Windows XP computers I see out there still default to MSN as the default home page, not because the users want MSN but becsause that's the way it came. I routinely switch them to Google because MSN takes too long to load when I'm working with the computer - once changed to Google they stay there forever.

The site and the ability to turn off (at least the obvious part of) the search feature is so they can point to it, just as you have, knowing full well it doesn't matter.
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New Re: Google Whines about nothing
You <---- some distance ----> The Point


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New Mysterious dupe.
Ignore.

I didn't double click or anything, though.


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Expand Edited by pwhysall May 1, 2006, 06:47:18 PM EDT
New whaddya mean? Ady has bin around fer ages
I tend to side with him on this one. Netscape autodefaults to netscape search.
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bill
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New Things are different once you've been found to have a Monop.
Or at least they should be....

In this case, it depends on how Microsoft does it and how easy it is to change. Gryg makes a good point that most machines stay with the default settings. We also know that MS is very jealous of Google's marketshare in search (and advertising) and they're throwing money at the problem to try to cut Google down to size. There are reasons to be very suspicious of Microsoft's plans here. They shouldn't be allowed to unfairly crush Google through bundling the way they killed Netscape.

My gut tells me that this is an important issue for Google (and Yahoo for that matter). In an ideal world, it wouldn't be decided in the courts (because MS would have been broken up long ago). When Vista starts up, it should ask for the user's choice for default search engine when it asks for network settings and the like.

I fear that if it goes to court it'll be 5-10 years before there's any finality and by that time either Google will be dead or Microsoft will be broken up making any court decision moot.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New so if there was no default then....
by the logic above

most users couldn't search


would that be better

I'd guess most of them have no idea what the box is for
I see mine punching in google or yahoo all the time

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New Not quite
cuz everyone knows how to google or yahoo, which they would continue to do. But if they have to change something to do so, they'll just use whatever is the default.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
New Some Info
1) if they go to google and are using IE7 a big red arrow from google
comes up pointing to the search box and telling them they can change the
default to google

2) as I stated before, if they are going to google or yahoo or wherever
then they are not using the box for anything (which if the users are as
ignorant as most of the posts in this thread imply then that if exactly
what the box is "used" for)

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New Irrelevant.
It's all about the law. What users *can* do doesn't matter.


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New This deserves to be framed and hung
"What users *can* do doesn't matter."

Indeed.

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New ?
Users *can* just install Firefox.

Users *can* just install Linux.

Users *can* just buy a Mac.

I'm not sure I get your point.


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New Wasn't it your point to begin with?
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New Indeed
But I'm not convinced it's the point that Ark took away from the post.


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New None of my points are very flattering
It does not matter that people are lazy and stupid
The law will fix it.


Or, it doe not matter that users can now do much more than they used to. We must have a law to ensure the ideal state, when those users can do _everything_ in the best possible way.

There might be a couple more.

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New You've missed my point entirely.


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New Better idea.
First time IE starts, a dialog box pops up with major search engines, asking user to select one for the default search.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New Better better idea.
Make sure it's a multi-select, and not a drop-down (with MSN pre-selected, natch).

Otherwise the user will just hit "OK" and be done with it. They should have to pick from a list before continuing.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New Go read up about having a monopoly
And what you can and cannot do once you have one.

While it's not illegal to have a monopoly in one or more markets, it's highly not legal to use that monopoly to leverage your entry or marketshare in another.

In this case, MSIE having a default search option of MSN is leverage the OS/Browser monopoly in order to increase marketshare in the search market.

Google and Firefox are not at all in the same position (Firefox doesn't own Google, and doesn't have any kind of monopoly).

Just saying "it's configurable" is no defence.


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New Come on, Andy, not even you are that dense
Matriculated at the BeeP School of Applied Rhetoric, did you? I see you mastered in Reductio ad Absurdum. Congratulations....
jb4
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New So, Andrea Dear, you *still* claim not to be an M$ $hill...?
New Burn the Witch! Burn The Witch!
The Devil's Advocate! In League With Satan!
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New Bullpucky.
Just let the fucker ADMIT what he is; how the fuck is that too much to ask?


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New Another Memo from the Chuckles at the DFSS
Apparently Chuckles is with the DFSS (Department of Fundamentally Studpid Shit)
Apparently no one can disagree with him in any legitimate manner
typical totalitarian attitude

For the xth time where x > 5
I would be happy to take money from MS
sadly they haven't offered

a few years ago I was at a high school reunion and a very attractive
classmate said that her husband was in computers too
he worked at MS maybe I'd heard of it

even she did not offer me any money

it's a hell of a thing

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Expand Edited by andread May 7, 2006, 05:46:21 PM EDT
New Welcome to the 21st century, Chuckles
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New You mean, where the new boss is the same as the old boss...
...and the new boss' shills are the same as the old boss' ones? Thanks, but I knew that already.

It may come as news to you, though, that this century isn't yours to welcome anyone to. Let me welcome *you* to the 21st century, Shilly...

Welcome to the century when evil empires that were corporations, not just states, started to crumble!


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New To be replaced with what?
I might be all for it if there was any chance

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New I work for a largish firm
we are the solution designers for an ISP. 1/2 the people use personal mac's. 3/4 of the folks have a desktop sun machine or linux machine. The only people using winders are the poor fucks who have to use the remedy ticketing system.
thanx,
bill
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New Oh, jeez... Remedy is pretty bad.
It's got a web interface though. I ran it on Linux using that.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New At least it's not Track-It.
New not a useful web interface :-)
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     New Microsoft Browser Raises Google's Hackles - (bluke) - (37)
         Old school MS tactic - (JayMehaffey)
         Open letter to Google: This surprises you how? luv, jb4 -NT - (jb4)
         Google Whines about nothing - (andread) - (30)
             Microsoft doesn't care that you know how to change it. - (Andrew Grygus)
             Re: Google Whines about nothing - (pwhysall)
             Mysterious dupe. - (pwhysall) - (16)
                 whaddya mean? Ady has bin around fer ages - (boxley) - (15)
                     Things are different once you've been found to have a Monop. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                         so if there was no default then.... - (andread) - (13)
                             Not quite - (jbrabeck) - (10)
                                 Some Info - (andread) - (9)
                                     Irrelevant. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                         This deserves to be framed and hung - (Arkadiy) - (5)
                                             ? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                 Wasn't it your point to begin with? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                                     Indeed - (pwhysall)
                                                 None of my points are very flattering - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                                     You've missed my point entirely. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                     Better idea. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                         Better better idea. - (admin)
                             Go read up about having a monopoly - (pwhysall)
                             Come on, Andy, not even you are that dense - (jb4)
             So, Andrea Dear, you *still* claim not to be an M$ $hill...? -NT - (CRConrad) - (10)
                 Burn the Witch! Burn The Witch! - (altmann) - (2)
                     Bullpucky. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Another Memo from the Chuckles at the DFSS - (andread)
                 Welcome to the 21st century, Chuckles -NT - (andread) - (6)
                     You mean, where the new boss is the same as the old boss... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         To be replaced with what? - (andread) - (4)
                             I work for a largish firm - (boxley) - (3)
                                 Oh, jeez... Remedy is pretty bad. - (admin) - (2)
                                     At least it's not Track-It. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                     not a useful web interface :-) -NT - (boxley)
         OEMs have control, FWIW - (altmann) - (1)
             Microsoft would like to change that -NT - (ben_tilly)
         Turn about is fair play? - (ChrisR) - (1)
             Like we did with the "SCO" search term? -NT - (folkert)

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