Sorry Ben, Ascribed a quote from Todd to You

Post #253,921 by boxley 4/30/06 8:13:34 PM Reply	Sorry Ben, Ascribed a quote from Todd to You "Sorry man, while you live, you play and maybe win. When you die, it all goes back to the banker for the next round." That is the Idea that there is no personal ownership of wealth, its a loan from the government. Now I do not expect to be hit when I die and my Ma had to scrub floors to pay off the old mans owes and doughs but I firmly believe that mismanages wealth shrinks not grows and a new better viking will inherit thru business cutthroatedness and I want a chance for my Kids to have a shot. From observation I think it is 6 generations. New Wealth, growth, stodgy conservative, dissapation, growth. How is Mrs Ford and all the little Fords doing? 60 years they will be begging for a floor spot with the UAWSPD. United Autoworkers Space Division. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #253,927 by drewk 4/30/06 9:16:20 PM Reply	I don't think that's the "banker" he meant It sounded to me more like, "You can't take it with you." === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #253,929 by boxley 4/30/06 9:22:44 PM Reply	maybe not but the freekin local squire with his hand out shouldnt get shinola and all the posturing about, well we have to ensure... etc is that these people dont have a clue about what is MINE! Private! I already paid you fucks! thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #253,958 by tuberculosis 5/1/06 12:20:49 AM Reply	What are you gonna do with it from a hole in the ground? [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #253,979 by boxley 5/1/06 8:17:45 AM Reply	I think my kids could sqander as efficiently as a government Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #253,957 by tuberculosis 5/1/06 12:20:19 AM Reply	It was a reference to Monopoly [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #253,963 by ben_tilly 5/1/06 1:49:59 AM Reply	The usual quote is "rags to rags in three generations" A man is born poor but motivated, builds up a financial empire. His sons never have to work and never learn how to. They piss away the fortune. His grandsons are in rags again. Great fortunes take longer to vanish, but the usual difference is that there gets to be several middle generations. If the fortune is large and the money is tied up in ways that the inheritors cannot readily waste, there might be quite a few such middle generations. The problem comes when someone gets the bright idea of manipulating the political system to make the wealth travel further. Then we wind up having to deal with someone like George III. (Pick either one - both were bad for America.) About capitalism, I firmly believe that "wealth" and "ownership" are societally created ideas. It isn't that they are granted to us by the government, it is that both government and ownership are powerful fictions created by people. So if we're going to make up rules, I'd like to see rules made up that tend to do well for people. Now the fact is that capitalism, for all of its shortcomings, is pretty darned effective. Therefore in general I'm a capitalist. However capitalism is not, for me, a root value. Therefore I'm in favour of deviations (eg taxes) from a purely capitalistic society if I see a lot of value in them. The idea of the estate tax is a deviation that I'm in favour of. (That said, I would like to see the level at which it kicks in raised.) However I'm against interventions that I think bring bad consequences and no good results. For example confiscating everyone's possessions upon death would be a horrible idea because I believe that the government will generally handle that property less effectively than private owners will. Furthermore saying that that is OK far too conveniently leads to abuses from the people in power. (Unfortunately, very few of my positions fit on a postcard...) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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