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New I disagree on how good it is
The estate tax has done a pretty good job of what was supposed to do, and has aged reasonably gracefully. And I say this despite personally knowing people who have been adversely affected by this. (My sister-in-law's parents owned a house on the Jersey Shore which, well you know the scenario.)

I know you disagree on how graceful it is, but considering how many decades it has been around, I'm impressed. According to [link|http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETHistory.html|this] it settled on its current form in the mid-30s. Compare that with another specific tax on the wealthy which was introduced much later. Which tax do you think does its original job with less collateral damage today, the estate tax or the AMT? Is there any real comparison?

Furthermore I think that fixing it is pretty easy. Just raise the bar for who is affected and make that be indexed to inflation. (I'd also want to increase the rate on the taxed amount, but leave that debate for another day.)

By contrast my big fear is that the United States will devolve into a plutocracy. In fact to a good extent it already has (what portion of federal politicians have great inherited wealth?), and I'm therefore against any change that could accelerate that trend.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Collapse Edited by ben_tilly April 29, 2006, 11:58:08 AM EDT
I disagree on how good it is
The estate tax has done a pretty good job of what was supposed to do, and has aged reasonably gracefully. And I say this despite personally knowing people who have been adversely affected by this. (My sister-in-law's parents owned a house on the Jersey Shore which, well you know the scenario.)

Furthermore I think that fixing it is pretty easy. Just raise the bar for who is affected and make that be indexed to inflation. (I'd also want to increase the rate on the taxed amount, but leave that debate for another day.)

By contrast my big fear is that the United States will devolve into a plutocracy. In fact to a good extent it already has (what portion of federal politicians have great inherited wealth?), and I'm therefore against any change that could accelerate that trend.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     18 wealthy families behind estate tax repeal movement. - (inthane-chan) - (87)
         And rightly so. - (pwhysall)
         the income/equity has already been taxed once - (boxley) - (84)
             Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 There are many bad things in life. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                     "They'll tax the pennies on your eyes" (new thread) - (jb4)
                 hogwash, you think they sit around on piles of money? - (boxley)
             What is fair? - (ben_tilly) - (76)
                 so if you get mugged its fair if you are rich? -NT - (boxley) - (75)
                     It's income. Tax it. -NT - (Silverlock) - (74)
                         Fair enough. As income. -NT - (imric)
                         income should be taxed, savings from income already taxed - (boxley) - (72)
                             Exactly. -NT - (pwhysall)
                             That is it in a nutshell. - (bepatient) - (42)
                                 Bah. - (Another Scott) - (23)
                                     how very marxist of you - (boxley) - (19)
                                         I don't think Teddy was a Marxist. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             For those who don't understand that comment... - (ben_tilly)
                                         You have to have balance - (ben_tilly) - (16)
                                             so advocating theft of private property to balance power is - (boxley) - (15)
                                                 Yes, it is. - (ben_tilly) - (14)
                                                     Oh you mean national socialism, got it -NT - (boxley) - (13)
                                                         Nice insult - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                                             not an isult just a description of what you want to do - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                 Then use another description - (ben_tilly) - (10)
                                                                     well lets see, that party believed that all wealth was at - (boxley) - (9)
                                                                         You been taking rhetoric lessons from BeeP? - (jb4) - (8)
                                                                             Sorry Ben, Ascribed a quote from Todd to You - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                                 I don't think that's the "banker" he meant - (drewk) - (5)
                                                                                     maybe not but the freekin local squire with his hand out - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                         What are you gonna do with it - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                                                             I think my kids could sqander as efficiently as a government -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                             Not spend it on invading Iraq, for one thing. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                     It was a reference to Monopoly -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                                                 The usual quote is "rags to rags in three generations" - (ben_tilly)
                                     And you'll see me be very consistent - (bepatient)
                                     I see your Bah and raise you a Feh. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         Wow, is that ever a 'well worn' arguement. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 Cry me up a river - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                                     so having a rich dad is a detriment - (boxley) - (11)
                                         What do you call having a poor dad then? - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                             s/few years/rest of your life - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                 I said a nice place :-P - (ben_tilly)
                                             whenever someone takes 1/2 of mine it gets detrimental - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 It wasn't yours - (ben_tilly)
                                         Please provide verifiable references . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                             :-) - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Yeah, we had that in my family too. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                             Andrew Jackson's Grandchildren - (boxley) - (2)
                                                 Eh? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                     When I was at the Hermitage I saw info that had the begats - (boxley)
                                 Its a tax on *personal* wealth - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                     Small set of victims is larger than the set your after. - (bepatient) - (3)
                                         s /surf/serf/ "Surf's up at Wal-Mart!" :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                         I disagree on how good it is - (ben_tilly)
                                         not if you measure in dollars - (tuberculosis)
                             Look at it from the child's point of view - (ben_tilly) - (27)
                                 Difference is, when you get that income - (bepatient) - (19)
                                     So I don't keep the house, big deal. - (ben_tilly)
                                     Easy - (JayMehaffey) - (17)
                                         Since you've never had this happen to someone you know - (bepatient) - (16)
                                             Compromise suggested - (ben_tilly)
                                             Don't know about New Jersey - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
                                                 Selling part of a farm - (imric)
                                                 Lovely use of statistics - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                     Figures where for 2000, current rate is lower. - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                                         Re: Figures where for 2000, current rate is lower. - (bepatient)
                                             Latest numbers and info from the IRS. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Estate tax level is current wacky - (JayMehaffey)
                                             Re: Since you've never had this happen to someone you know - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                                                 Try.. - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                     Nota bene - (jake123)
                                                     All true, but that's a different problem - (drewk)
                                                     Mortgage or move - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                                         Interesting take - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             So take Ben's solution. - (inthane-chan)
                                                             I have no intention - (tuberculosis)
                                 why should you have to pay %50 taxes because your - (boxley) - (1)
                                     simple, your parents had more money...that makes it fair. -NT - (bepatient)
                                 Does your father(s estate) get to write off the expense? - (drewk) - (4)
                                     I know someone who did it. - (broomberg) - (2)
                                         I know multiple people who've done that - (ben_tilly)
                                         That's a little different, as I understand it. - (Another Scott)
                                     Its called a living trust came into being with the ERISA law -NT - (boxley)
             This tax was deliberately confiscatory when introduced. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                 I'd agree with that -NT - (ben_tilly)
                 She's got vast... tracts of land. -NT - (jake123)
         This surprises you? -NT - (tuberculosis)

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