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(10:44:03) moe: How much Gratis do I do, I have bills piling up just like all of you.

Note: The above is the last message I saw before you pulled the plug.

You didn't go off on me, sorry. I guess since you finally blew at me, after I have been asking *NOT* pestering. The "Get crackin'" wasn't intended to be a pestering, more of a tongue in cheek with evidence I have been collecting. But, as you see it, I was pestering. Okay. No problems.

Where did I blow up at you? And "get crackin" is only the last in a long line of them.

Rants like this... hmm. Okay. I'll have to stop ranting then. I meant no offense. BTW, I didn't mention anyone in particular, so how do you know it was aimed at you?

Pretty obvious, given the chat room.

Yeah, I like the fact that people never bitch and complain about the service they are getting. Or that never pester me about anything. Oh, yeah. I have just started my LLC. Unfortuneately, I have a really big Hardware Budget and now since this last litte incident (the Covad outage) I only have to spend MORE... even before I finally get my hardware I need to actually start offering service.

The only complaints you've ever gotten from me are that you don't charge for what you do. If funding is an issue then let's ask if people would care if we put Google Ads or something on the site.

Yeah. I went over the edge on translating "I don't have time" to "I don't care". Yeah. my bad. So, when will you have time? One other thing I typically like to live by:

Let's not confuse effort, with results.

But I guess, I should abandon it.

Yeah, you did go over the edge (and please drop the sarcasm if you really want this to be civil) with that translation. However, I have responsibilities to my family that have always taken precedence. As far as "results" go, when we put the test server up with the new software there was very little response. My guess is that very few beside you and I really care if the software gets updated or not.

Yes, once again, I need to drop the "Let's not confuse effort, with results." bit. That should make things all better. Yes, it has been two years. Causing a third party to not be able to a help because you don't want them to have access. Kind of the "NIH" syndrome. Sorry, that was uncalled for, I'll retract that last bit about NIH.

No, it's absolutely true. I'm a perfectionist, and I don't care to have someone help when I'm working on something like this. You'll notice that people aren't exactly lining up with their own solutions, though. You should be the last one to be talking about NIH, too.

Talking about flaws, some of the reasons *Z* has been slow are also relating to referral spam using exploits in the Zope 2.3.3 Application engine. Take a look at the last few months of *Z* usage statistics. See those wonderful hosts that all end up being related to two or three porn sites and/or porn hosting companies? I really enjoy paying for the bandwidth they are using. Yes, I guess I should ask for contributions to fund those Porn Sites. Yelling about it at you won't matter anyway, you just tune it out. I have really been trying to be nice and kind and patient. I guess I need to try harder.

WTH are you talking about? This is all news to me. If there's a security or bandwidth issue, then something more than an offhand comment might be nice. I'm busy enough that unless someone plainly says, "this is broken and you need to fix it now", then I'm not going to pay attention. A patch is going to get done a lot faster than a completely brand new application.

True, removing you access does hurt me, but I need to re-evaluate things. Sure you only have user status, no sudo access, only key-auth ssh login. I just need to get things to a set state before anything would have changed. And by the looks of things, its a good thing I did remove sudo access, realting to the next item

Do what you need to do.

Killing Jabberd, yes a bit over the top, but not uncalled for. You still have the MUD. Me not answering e-mail... well I did eventually answer it. I was busy during the time you sent it. Busy doing access clean-up. Its a good thing I did the clean-up. One of the other peoples that had sudo access tried to do some tasks for me, or should I say restore jabberd while I wanted it off. I am replying in Kind. I hope you understand my entire message.

I don't, actually, but whatever floats your boat.

I am telling you right now, that my being unreasonable in your judgement, is fine. Just understand I feel, that yes life is important, I really enjoy chatting and arguing with you (but not this way), about things in general. You are funny witty, interesting and fun to be around. But you telling me that you just don;t have the time... is just not tenable. Two years, while I understand you have Aidan now... maybe things are at a point where we should move to a CMS/forum style of software that is more easily maintained then. More easily for me to spend my time just updating it, regularly, rather than having to depend upon you to fix these things. And No, I am not telling you to goto hell... by saying these things, just that maybe it is about time we switch gears at this point.

Do what you need to do. I suggest you ask the users if they want to use other software first, since this site is and always has been about the user base, and not the software. And then you can start considering message porting costs.

A better tack would be to 1) block the sites involved or 2) actually tell someone what's going on instead of making vague allusions to it. An email or a post would do wonders for communication, especially since I don't spend much time on Jabber at all these days. People can't help if they don't know what's wrong.

Obviously, you are telling me you do not have time, which leads me to believe a dependence on your non-existant time would be a serious problems for us in the near, middle and far future, should anything break or fail completely. once again, this is not a "telling" of things to some, I want no problems.

Uncalled for. Any time something serious has happened I've been there to help fix it.

If the site is becoming an issue for you, then we can talk about taking it elsewhere. Otherwise, if you have issues or needs, tell me outright instead of dancing around them. And asking me when the new software will be done does not constitute telling me outright.

You certainly have a lot of things going on right now. Sheesh. Good luck with everything.