I will have to remember the rubber gloves when I am 76

When in court or testifying before Congress, if you answer [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_fifth|any] question you can't then assert your right to avoid self-incrimination.

But if you consent to let someone come into your home, you don't automatically consent to let them do what they want. If you let someone give you an examination, you don't automatically consent to let them sexually assault you. More specifically, consenting to a breast exam doesn't strike me as automatically consenting to a genital exam.

And [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_%28criminal%29|consent under false pretenses] isn't really valid consent, is it?

Hence, most states have laws which criminalize misrepresentations, deceptions and fraud. These are situations in which a victim may have given apparent consent to parting with ownership or possession of money and/or goods or generally suffering a loss, but this consent is treated as vitiated by the dishonesty of the person making the untrue representations.

Cheers,
Scott.

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Post #253,020 by boxley 4/22/06 12:10:58 PM Reply	I will have to remember the rubber gloves when I am 76 [link\|http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-04-20T155023Z_01_N4K350677_RTRUKOC_0_US-BREASTS.xml&rpc=22\|http://today.reuters...REASTS.xml&rpc=22] A 76-year-old man claiming to be a doctor went door-to-door in a Florida neighborhood offering free breast exams, and was charged with sexually assaulting two women who accepted the offer, police said on Thursday. One woman became suspicious after the man asked her to remove all her clothes and began conducting a purported genital exam without donning rubber gloves, investigators said. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #253,033 by lincoln 4/22/06 8:01:31 PM Reply	How can it be an assault when they consented? lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #253,092 by bionerd 4/23/06 10:52:31 AM Reply	And who in their right mind would consent??? Follow your MOUSE
Post #253,094 by lincoln 4/23/06 11:33:05 AM Reply	As the story says two women who accepted the offer, police said on Thursday. they accepted, they consented. Thus, no assault. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #253,108 by Another Scott 4/23/06 1:13:31 PM Reply	It's not like giving up your 5th Amendment rights. When in court or testifying before Congress, if you answer [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_fifth\|any] question you can't then assert your right to avoid self-incrimination. But if you consent to let someone come into your home, you don't automatically consent to let them do what they want. If you let someone give you an examination, you don't automatically consent to let them sexually assault you. More specifically, consenting to a breast exam doesn't strike me as automatically consenting to a genital exam. And [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_%28criminal%29\|consent under false pretenses] isn't really valid consent, is it? Hence, most states have laws which criminalize misrepresentations, deceptions and fraud. These are situations in which a victim may have given apparent consent to parting with ownership or possession of money and/or goods or generally suffering a loss, but this consent is treated as vitiated by the dishonesty of the person making the untrue representations. Cheers, Scott.
Post #253,110 by boxley 4/23/06 1:27:19 PM Reply	if he pulled teeth without a dnetla degree/license its assault, no difference. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #253,104 by warmachine 4/23/06 12:31:18 PM Reply	Doctors are meant to be detached Doctors are supposed to be professionally dispassionate about stranger's bodies. You're supposed to be able to trust doctors. In the same way that you're supposed to be able to trust your accountant not to steal from you. Or put it another way. Would those women agree if he said he was merely knowledgable in medicine and doing a public service? Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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