Yeah, that would be nice.

Post #248,998 by Another Scott 3/23/06 10:04:17 AM Reply	Yeah, that would be nice. I think Vista Home (or whatever it's called) is going to be a very tough sell with all the DRM stuff that MS is pushing. If the Mac Mini Video (oweic) box has minimal or reasonable DRM, then Jobs may have another hit. Especially if he can get it out the door substantially before the PS3 arrives. On corporate uptake, I think it ultimately depends on how good MS is at forcing Dell and other OEMs to preload it, and on how their licensing for big corps is written. If, somehow, MS is able to get them over a barrel, companies may not have much choice to take it. But maybe they'll just wipe it and roll out Win2k or XP anyway... MS has a lot of Vista's destiny in its hands even if its onerous. Remember that it was cheaper for OEMs to license DOS + Windows 3.0 than DOS alone... It should be very interesting in the next 6-12 months. Cheers, Scott.
Post #249,001 by drewk 3/23/06 10:28:28 AM Reply	It has nothing to do with the actual features I think Vista Home (or whatever it's called) is going to be a very tough sell with all the DRM stuff that MS is pushing. "With Windows Vista you'll be able to download and play music from your favorite artists." (Which will only be available in the latest DRM-ed formats, since we're selling the RIAA the wet dream of true anti-copy technology.) But maybe they'll just wipe it and roll out Win2k or XP anyway. Until the VP in charge of IT comes does some work at home on the new PC he just got, emails it to his work account, and can't open it there. Then someone tells him he's already paid for an enterprise license for the latest version and he tells IT to put it on. Windows has always made headway by reading everything, and making its latest formats unreadable to everyone else. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #249,016 by folkert 3/23/06 12:32:06 PM Reply	Reply... I think Vista Home (or whatever it's called) is going to be a very tough sell with all the DRM stuff that MS is pushing. "With Windows Vista you'll be able to download and play music from your favorite artists." (Which will only be available in the latest DRM-ed formats, since we're selling the RIAA the wet dream of true anti-copy technology.) Oh yes, but I'll still be able to rip the songs from the CD or DVD or what ever media. Come on, with Linux or BSD, I can force the CDROM to turn backwards and decode the SewPrSeKritDRM... or ignore it. But maybe they'll just wipe it and roll out Win2k or XP anyway. Until the VP in charge of IT comes does some work at home on the new PC he just got, emails it to his work account, and can't open it there. Then someone tells him he's already paid for an enterprise license for the latest version and he tells IT to put it on. That is when you need to set him down and Politely encourage him to think about how much this will then cost him in man hours, how long the projects will get delayed... etc, Not to mention the problems with it not being certified with the versions of ERP/DRP/DRM/ERM/ACL/TLA Enterprise management "solution" that hasn't even been fully rolled out due to problems with WindowsXP and Office2K3. Windows has always made headway by reading everything, and making its latest formats unreadable to everyone else. That is SPOT ON. Even incompatible with its own "legacy" applications. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #249,058 by drewk 3/23/06 4:02:17 PM Reply	Where have you been for the last 15 years? Oh yes, but I'll still be able to rip the songs from the CD or DVD or what ever media. Come on, with Linux or BSD, I can force the CDROM to turn backwards and decode the SewPrSeKritDRM... or ignore it. This isn't about Windows vs Linux. It's about how, and how quickly, MS can move everyone that is currently on XP onto Vista. They'll do it by making sure it's on Dells when you buy them. Someone said, "People won't buy it because of the DRM crap." Bullshit. Most people think that DRM -- if they they think anything about DRM -- is the thing that allows them to play songs they download. They just don't get that DRM is actually the added feature of no longer doing what they already do. Not to mention the problems with it not being certified with the versions of ERP/DRP/DRM/ERM/ACL/TLA Enterprise management "solution" that hasn't even been fully rolled out due to problems with WindowsXP and Office2K3. Then he points out that the next version of the ERP solution -- which is being force-sunsetted in Q2 -- will not be certified for XP. He then has has a choice between an insurmountable problem -- getting the ERP solution certified on XP -- and a surmountable problem -- getting you to certify a build containing the latest versions of both, getting you to sign on the line that it will work, and getting you to roll it out and support it. Which one do you think he'll do? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #249,098 by folkert 3/23/06 7:13:31 PM Reply	Another good reply. They just don't get that DRM is actually the added feature of no longer doing what they already do. That's where the "or ignore it" comes in for me. Then he points out that the next version of the ERP solution -- which is being force-sunsetted in Q2 -- will not be certified for XP. He then has has a choice between an insurmountable problem -- getting the ERP solution certified on XP -- and a surmountable problem -- getting you to certify a build containing the latest versions of both, getting you to sign on the line that it will work, and getting you to roll it out and support it. Which one do you think he'll do? I know which one he'll do. I'll sign it under duress... with witnesses and a notary staing that I will only do this after careful consideration of the Board, after a presentation that explains the costs involved and how much the possible loss in production, financial implications to the bottom line, pointing out multiple problems with ging to soon. Then and only then, I'll avoid the signage. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.

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