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by inthane-chan
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2/23/06 11:19:48 AM
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New Exactly what he says.
One of the main points of "The Transparent Society" is that everybody DOES watch everybody else - and it is completely legal. As far as telling if somebody is watching you; well, in such a society, you just assume everybody is.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
Post #245,920
by drewk
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2/23/06 11:22:49 AM
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New To me, that's not the same
It's one thing to know someone could be watching me. It's quite different to know they are watching. It's the whole problem with the DHS/FBI/etc wanting to get my library records without telling me. If you're going to be investigating me, I should know I'm being investigated.
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Post #245,931
by inthane-chan
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2/23/06 11:59:04 AM
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New Who watches the watchmen?
Any organized government is going to draw people who watch them right back - those people might use their time to notify those under watch that they are being watched. There's a lot fewer people that are professionally paid to watch others than there are people out there with spare time on their hands. Given the level of distrust of our government, I can imagine a lot of people taking it in their own hands to be watching the watchmen right back... Even going so far as to arrange groups that take rotating shifts and provide instant notifications.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
     ID Card bill passed in the Commons. - (pwhysall) - (40) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:29:58 AM EST
         Excellent letter. I hope he sees it and takes it to heart. -NT - (Another Scott) - Feb. 14, 2006, 08:43:07 AM EST
         The saddest aspect is - (Ashton) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:39:14 AM EST
         Your question is rhetorical, but the answer is: - (jb4) - Feb. 15, 2006, 10:45:08 AM EST
         Letter to Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (36) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:42:03 PM EST
             Any time to do the transcription? Also IEEE Spectrum. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 19, 2006, 01:10:07 PM EST
             Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (31) - Feb. 22, 2006, 02:58:27 PM EST
                 ...the FRACK? - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:01:10 PM EST
                 What a fscking MORON! - (jb4) - (16) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:12:41 PM EST
                     He's not a moron, that's the problem. - (pwhysall) - (15) - Feb. 23, 2006, 01:40:48 PM EST
                         OK, let me rephrase that, then... - (jb4) - (14) - Feb. 23, 2006, 02:10:14 PM EST
                             That's bollocks, too. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Feb. 23, 2006, 02:45:07 PM EST
                                 Prolly doesn't get some of the finer points of parliamentary - (jake123) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2006, 04:55:22 PM EST
                                     Thanks for the primer on the finer points of ... - (jb4) - Feb. 23, 2006, 05:34:53 PM EST
                                 He's a good MP... - (jb4) - (10) - Feb. 23, 2006, 05:30:28 PM EST
                                     You're all excitable, aren't you? - (pwhysall) - (9) - Feb. 23, 2006, 06:04:01 PM EST
                                         Heheh. - (imric) - Feb. 23, 2006, 07:48:48 PM EST
                                         Not a moron. Just another whore. Same as ours. - (hnick) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2006, 07:52:12 PM EST
                                             To answer your question ... - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2006, 07:58:10 PM EST
                                                 Nah... Not enough room. - (hnick) - Feb. 23, 2006, 08:18:14 PM EST
                                             On second thought... - (hnick) - Feb. 23, 2006, 08:49:18 PM EST
                                         Now you're just being thick - (jb4) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2006, 01:15:43 PM EST
                                             Re: Now you're just being thick - (pwhysall) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2006, 12:04:03 AM EST
                                                 Oh, did you get your widdy biddy fewings hurt? - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2006, 01:29:30 PM EST
                                                     Not really. - (pwhysall) - Feb. 27, 2006, 04:20:44 PM EST
                 In other words, he's not open to contrary evidence. - (Another Scott) - (5) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:14:53 PM EST
                     I've already had a really good fume about this. -NT - (pwhysall) - (4) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:40:07 PM EST
                         I'd smack him upside the haid (verbally, of course)... - (jb4) - (3) - Feb. 22, 2006, 03:57:51 PM EST
                             I'm going to compose a measured response. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Feb. 22, 2006, 04:00:09 PM EST
                                 You must admit, though, it would be rather cathartic. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Feb. 22, 2006, 04:04:40 PM EST
                                     Write it, but don't mail it. - (jbrabeck) - Feb. 22, 2006, 04:14:59 PM EST
                 Re: Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (6) - Feb. 22, 2006, 04:59:53 PM EST
                     Very well stated. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (5) - Feb. 22, 2006, 05:13:37 PM EST
                         Agreed...Very well stated. However... - (jb4) - (4) - Feb. 23, 2006, 10:20:55 AM EST
                             "Transparent Society" ... philosophical question - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2006, 10:31:34 AM EST
                                 Exactly what he says. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Feb. 23, 2006, 11:19:48 AM EST
                                     To me, that's not the same - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2006, 11:22:49 AM EST
                                         Who watches the watchmen? - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 23, 2006, 11:59:04 AM EST
             Send the moron this - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:58 AM EDT
                 Link doesn't work -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2006, 12:05:39 AM EST
                     'Cellphone could crack RFID tags, says cryptographer' - (Ashton) - Feb. 25, 2006, 03:46:41 AM EST

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