Post #245,314
2/18/06 11:45:15 AM
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I question the reverse DNS thing.
As I've said before, the only server I've run across that refuses my mail is warhead. What is the actual percentage that refuse mail on this basis? You would be in a position to get that actual information; and I'm VERY curious (I know, in many ways). I've been avoiding running my own external DNS for a long time - is this a trend? Is it rising? Will I have to do this eventually?
Thanks, Barry..
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Post #245,346
2/18/06 6:14:14 PM
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Almost ALL DSL ISPs refused mine
I'll bet they have enouth experience with people sending spam outbound through them that they got annoyed enough to kill the inbound. AOL as well. Comcast.net as well.
In the old days, I would have to contact them and have them white list me. But that was a major pain, and sometimes there was no one to contact.
Just run the DNS or let someone else do it.
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Post #245,366
2/18/06 10:46:04 PM
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I send to both Comcast and AOL
daily. They always receive it. I've never asked to be whitelisted. I don't understand what the problem would be - I suspect it's not DNS, though, since I don't have it.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,367
2/18/06 10:56:39 PM
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Can't answer that
Except it may be that your source IP is within a non bad listed area. In my case, I was coming from Comcast address space. Maybe Comcast is defined evil unless otherwise whitelisted.
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Post #245,375
2/19/06 3:20:13 AM
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Karsten always bitched that he couldn't mail his mum...
...from netcom (is that Earthlink nowadays?)
Same problem.
Peter
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Post #245,381
2/19/06 8:44:07 AM
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K - but that isn't a DNS issue...
*GRIN*
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,383
2/19/06 9:39:32 AM
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Yeah, it was.
AOL blocked SMTP from mailservers originating in Earthlink's dynamic address range.
Peter
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Post #245,403
2/19/06 12:16:00 PM
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And that has WHAT to do with the names?
Netblocks = names? C'mon. Pull the other one - it's got bells on.
If they were blocking a range of addresses, having your own dynamic address would do NOTHING.
You're reaching, here.
If it was reverse DNS matching that they were looking for, I couldn't send mail to them.
I can. I do. Without error. Without whitelisting. Reliably. Consistently. Forever.
Therefore, it's not reverse DNS matching.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,404
2/19/06 12:42:35 PM
2/19/06 12:45:04 PM
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It's BOTH
C'mon.
You seem to be purposefully dense on this subject.
Think of this as a design pattern, where multiple things
have to be right in order to qualify as a success.
Just because it SOMETIMES works, and possibly ALMOST all
the time, does not make it it correct.
Mail servers do a couple of things. The recieve mail
for people that they serve locally. The forward mail
to other servers. Everything else is an outgrowth of
these 2 functions.
In pursuit of these 2 functions, they also LIMIT who they
will forward for. They do not want to open themselves up
to abuse for spammers, which means they will not forward
for people who are not their clients. If they do, they
quickly end up blackholed.
Another configuration option is to only trust other servers
in the case of inbound messages. That way they can ensure
that when a message enters the mailstream there is at least
a possibility of some accountability in the event it is spam.
Whether or not this configuration is turned on or off, and
the level of granularity that it acts upon is up the the person
who runs the mail server.
Some of the steps that the decision is based on are:
IS the system currently sending me mail:
1) blacklisted?
2) in somebody's DNS?
3) in the known end-user address ranges?
4) in somebody's DNS with an MX record?
5) currently sending me too many messages at once?
6) (the list goes on, you got the idea)
A "send only" system is not a mail server, it is a client.
You've setup a client. The client is "technically" capable of
acting as a server, but you've ignored the generally accepted
rules of what a server means when it has to play nice with other
servers.
Just because you've managed to connect to X amount of systems
in X amount of time and send X amount of messages means NOTHING.
It's like lying on your resume about have a degree. Sure, it
may work for a while, but sooner or later you'll get nailed.
It may not matter, or it may.
Either way you have no standing to say:
Hey, I got away with it for this long, no one else cared,
so you might as well give me a pass as well.
Which is essentially what you are doing when you nitpick on
pieces of the equation.
So please, accept that you are wrong and fix it. Or STFU
when you can't send an occasional message.
Edited by broomberg
Feb. 19, 2006, 12:45:04 PM EST
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Post #245,408
2/19/06 3:19:37 PM
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I don't have just a client. Except if you claim EVERY
mailserver is a client.
I have a server. A sendmail server. It serves about 10 people as full scale accounts, as well as a mail forwarder for another 10 or so addresses. It recieves messages. It sends messages. It's a server, not just a client. If I wanted to, I COULD be a client to my ISP's mail server; I choose not to do that. I do NOT allow relaying. What I have is a SERVER. It performs ALL the functions you define for a mail server. Get it?
YOU say reverse dns prevented you from contact with AOL and Comcast. I was puzzled, as this has not been an issue for me.
And, BTW - And let me say it again - THE ONLY server that denies me is warhead. NOT AOL. NOT Comcast. NOT Earthlink. NOT ANYBODY but warhead. The domains you mentioned NEVER deny mail from me. Let me repeat, because it's not 'almost' never. It's NEVER. Except for warhead.
My mail address DOES have an MX record in register.com's DNS. However, it's an external DNS to my provider; check the IP address and it doesn't show up as the name(s) I use.
Telling me I'm being intentionally dense and to STFU on the subject when I'm asking legitimate questions isn't helpful, it's rude, and doesn't point at any particular knowledge. Hey - I'm not the only one that warhead denies, either.
Well - anyway, I know now that I won't get real answers from you, anyway. Certainly you've given me no useful data on whether I should consider setting up my own DNS server.
And yes, when one server out of the whole internet denies me, I don't consider it a reason to change my setup. You've given me no indication otherwise.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,409
2/19/06 4:00:36 PM
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OK. maybe I've both misunderstood and overreacted
On the other hand, that message was the 1st time I've seen all the pieces put together.
I was under the impression you had no MX records and you were not running an inbound server.
My mail address DOES have an MX record in register.com's DNS. However, it's an external DNS to my provider; check the IP address and it doesn't show up as the name(s) I use.
We've just hit into "who owns the block"? Who is the authoritative DNS server for the block?
In order to do a reverse DNS, you've got to start with that.
Who's name DOES show up when you do a reverse?
I seem to recall when my company does some complex DNS setups, dealing with other company's servers being dropped into our address space, we needed to setup some type of DNS delegate structure to allow it to work. Got nasty.
Let's get back to the email server conversation.
Your's connects to the other one.
Him: Who are you?
You: mail.whatever.net
Him: (does reverse DNS) - Liar! <breaks connection>
This is a perfectly reasonable response.
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Post #245,413
2/19/06 4:32:21 PM
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Well - that's the way I understood warhead to work
Who's name DOES show up when you do a reverse?
The address that's returned is: dsl027-160-095.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net. In an experiment, I set the MX for imrics.net to point to it (after setting sendmail to accept mail for it), so that's what's in the MX record right now. Once upon a time, though, I used to point it at imrics.net. I left the dsl027* address in place because it seemed more logical to me. Either way seemed to be effective.
And - thanks if you can give me any insight (or help in connecting to warhead) - as you know, I don't claim any big expertise in this stuff... All I have is my own experience to go by - and I don't do this stuff professionally.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,415
2/19/06 4:46:11 PM
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Is this a personal or business account?
And is the address a static or DHCP one?
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Post #245,416
2/19/06 4:49:04 PM
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Personal -
Though one of the forwarders is professional. Speakeasy doesn't care, as long as you're not spamming or doing anything illegal. The address is static...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,418
2/19/06 5:02:39 PM
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You need to pay speakeasy more money to make it work.
I've got a business account with them.
One if the features of a business account is DNS setup.
Without the DNS setup, you CANNOT get a reverse DNS to work since no matter what you say at register.com, if the ISP does not delegate the addresses it is not the authoratative name server, which means no one knows to go to it for the address.
Bottom line: You work by accident. No matter how well, it is still an accident.
But: You may be able to kludge it. Some more.
Change your system name to match the reverse DNS entry. Give it a shot.
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Post #245,421
2/19/06 5:43:12 PM
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No surprises.
I understand that a reverse isn't going to work. I don't think it COULD work for my setup. That's why I don't understand how it can be a common check for mailservers though. It isn't logical (to me anyway) that I can have no trouble with virtually all mailservers when reverse DNS won't work for me, if even a sizable percentage were using it.
Interesting idea about the system name though. Gonna try it.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,438
2/19/06 9:04:21 PM
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break down, haul yer ass uphill for dinner and beer
since all I do all day anyway is figger out better ways to do mail as an ISP I could prolly help.
General rules for most providers
connect, run rbl's including DHCP lists (most servers shouldnt run in that space.)
reverse DNS, does imrics.net match the IP you are coming from
if so pass thru, if not (local policies apply from refuse to score points)
are you trying to send me data before hello is done (spraying)
are you sending me a ton of receiptients?
Do all of your messages look the same?
data section,
examine message for spam signatures, is there links in the message that go back to known spammers?
does vee@gra or other permutations show up. Does a hash of the message body match the hashes of known spams?
do DKIM check if mail purports to be from Yahoo or other dkim compliant senders
validate to see if receiptiant is valid
check user white/black lists
then maybe let the mail in for further checking.
reverse DNS is important because if I claim to be from foo.bar but my address resolves to fsckingspam.tv that is a flag.
thanx,
bill
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Post #245,443
2/19/06 9:22:30 PM
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How can you help
those who refuse to accept what you say as reality?
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Post #245,447
2/19/06 9:33:57 PM
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gotta get him drunk first
and maybe a tour of the shop.
thanx,
bill
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Post #245,448
2/19/06 9:36:08 PM
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Since your shop SHOULD refuse his email...
Why not follow the trail and see why it IS working?
Probably a bug in your system.
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Post #245,452
2/19/06 10:36:48 PM
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naw, I whitelisted him :-)
remember he is a static IP, not much volume, and not on rbl's.
thanx,
bill
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Post #245,453
2/19/06 10:39:53 PM
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OT we need to back channel about yer bidness moydel
give me a call sometime to avoid costing you folks a boatload,
thanx,
bill
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Post #245,455
2/19/06 11:00:16 PM
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Send contact info to biz account
Same as user here
at
cc3
place of business tail.
I'll call you from the office.
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Post #245,460
2/19/06 11:35:18 PM
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two stupid for that
440-847-6377 everyone else calls me
bill
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Post #245,462
2/19/06 11:42:34 PM
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This your work #?
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Post #245,487
2/20/06 8:20:56 AM
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Does not work
Sorry, tollfree number you have dialed is disconnected
440 == toll free?
Never knew that.
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Post #245,490
2/20/06 9:26:19 AM
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well if I could type and was not dyslexic
Ill ping your comcast account
thanx,
bill
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Post #245,500
2/20/06 10:36:29 AM
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Can't go there right now
Send to above mentioned biz acct.
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Post #245,454
2/19/06 10:45:12 PM
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A bug in all systems?
You say I refuse to see reality - well - the reality is that my mail works. Since you guys apparently think that's freaky, I wouldn't mind being shown why... Simply asserting that's reality, with no explanation of how my server can actually do what it does, does not motivate me to make any changes.
I do like the implications of Box's explanation though - if WEIGHT is given to each point, and reverse DNS is only one tick off on the factors that determine whether something is spam or not, that would explain why it works. He's the first one to do any kind of explanation (other than what reverse DNS lookups do), however.
Look - I WILL set up my own DNS if I have to. First, though, I'd just relay through my ISPs mailserver. I did that the last time I really wanted to send mail to warhead. So far though, I haven't had to (except for that one time). You said that reverse DNS keeps mail from going through to AOL and Comcast - Heck, I test new configs against those ISPs, among others. I'm telling you that reverse DNS has NEVER stopped mail to those ISPs. They never give me trouble. Not accepting THAT does not make ME the one denying reality.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,459
2/19/06 11:31:25 PM
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He whitelisted you
For all we know, they major ISPs share whitelists.
Well Box?
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Post #245,461
2/19/06 11:41:47 PM
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Very possible. Very plausible.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,476
2/20/06 1:23:06 AM
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That is ...
... fucking beautiful! A multi-week flame fest -- It's your DNS ... it's not my DNS ... you must be whitelisted ... I'm not fucking whitelisted -- and it may turn out that he's whitelisted by a fucking ISP! That is perfect.
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Post #245,480
2/20/06 4:16:01 AM
2/20/06 4:46:15 AM
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For *very* low values of "multi-week".
Todd's message that started the thread was less than 48 hours old when you posted yours.
[Edit: Cleaned up "Subject:" line.]
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Edited by CRConrad
Feb. 20, 2006, 04:46:15 AM EST
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Post #245,481
2/20/06 4:37:50 AM
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You finished?
Good. Now get your hands off the keyboard, take the mouse, and click [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=243483|this]. Read the first post.
That's OK, I'll wait, I know you probably read slow.
Done? Now note that the date on it is February 5, which as of right now is [checks watch] 15 days ago. That would be two weeks plus a day. Which is multi-week.
Dumbass.
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Post #245,482
2/20/06 4:45:15 AM
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Fsck, there was THAT much of it?
I fucking thought it was all in the same fucking thread.
OK, OK, you're fucking right. Fuck you for that, too.
Aha, I see... That was in a whole 'nother forum!
Well, aren't I fucking glad I caught that, milliseconds before I was going to click "Save Without Preview" on this post -- so this *isn't* the Flame forum!
In that case, very sorry about the wording of the previous post... I was only trying to make it forum-appropriate, for where I *thought* we were, you see...
Sorry.
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(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #245,485
2/20/06 7:17:09 AM
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And that was IN flames.
And it was an irrational flame. THIS was a discussion. And rational.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,484
2/20/06 7:13:56 AM
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Um. No.
Flamefest? No. Claiming I'm not whitelisted by all ISPs? No.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,508
2/20/06 11:05:45 AM
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Oh come on, I was just poking CRC
I wasn't about to go back and re-read all of it to get the details right just for that. I just thought is was freaking hilarious that after all those rounds of you insisting you weren't doing anything different, and being told that if that were the case then you should be having problems, that it may be divine intervention working without your knowledge.
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Post #245,569
2/21/06 2:11:14 AM
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And quite deservedly so. <shakes head/>
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Post #245,510
2/20/06 11:16:01 AM
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no sharing of whitelists, only black
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Post #245,512
2/20/06 11:19:09 AM
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*grumble*
Damn. It would have been nice if true. Now my terrier-like subconcious will start worrying at this again.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,513
2/20/06 11:23:22 AM
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See what I mean?
This is hilarious.
Oh, not for you though.
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Post #245,517
2/20/06 11:44:26 AM
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*sigh* I suppose so.
I always have a hard time letting go of something I don't understand... Even when I have an available workaround.
The problem is that I trust what these guys are saying, I trust their expertise, but it's not jibing with my experience... And so the loop continues.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,519
2/20/06 11:54:14 AM
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My variation on that
I always have a hard time letting go of something I don't understand... Even when I have an available workaround. When something doesn't work, then it does work, I want to know why it didn't work. Which is usually a bitch, because it's not doing it any more, but how am I supposed to know it won't happen again? ===
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Post #245,522
2/20/06 11:59:04 AM
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Our network admin was just bit by that
Exchange wasn't connecting to the data store. MS support can't explain why. 10 hours on the phone passes, examining AD, DNS, etc, etc.
Then it starts working. MS takes credit, can't give any kind of satisfactory explanation, tried claiming it wasn't working before, that it never worked (though IRL everything worked relatively well for a long time).
This morning it dropped again.
Stochastic computing and all that.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,524
2/20/06 1:11:15 PM
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what exactly is the error you get?
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Post #245,525
2/20/06 1:20:24 PM
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I'll let you know after I see him -
he had to stay home to watch his kids today...
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,527
2/20/06 1:27:49 PM
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oops replied to wrong post
what exactly is the error you get from warhead?
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #245,529
2/20/06 1:45:39 PM
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Here:
Client host rejected: Sorry, but we refuse mail directly from hosts with generic reverse DNS.
Please use another outbound mail server.
Pretty clear.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,533
2/20/06 1:59:11 PM
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Have you tried e-mailing Alaric?
[link|http://www.warhead.co.uk/|http://www.warhead.co.uk/] has a mailto: to him. He's the brainiac behind Warhead.
Of course, you might have to use a different account or something...
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who figures it's often best to go straight to the top...)
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Post #245,575
2/21/06 7:13:15 AM
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Nah - I have a workaround.
I was just being stubborn and grumpy about having to use it.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,534
2/20/06 2:12:00 PM
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send an email to function01 at cigarboat.cox.net thx
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #245,541
2/20/06 2:54:04 PM
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DIrectly? 1 min - have to reset sendmail to send directly.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,543
2/20/06 3:25:50 PM
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let me know when, hasnt hit my mta yet
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #245,544
2/20/06 3:28:06 PM
2/20/06 4:12:44 PM
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Sent...
Gone fishing?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
Feb. 20, 2006, 04:12:44 PM EST
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Post #245,547
2/20/06 4:08:03 PM
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clearly the issue
nslookup imrics.net gives me your 216.X.X.X address, nslookup of the 216 address gives me your provider. As an ISP I may assign weight to that fact. Warhead tho appears to be a stickler because they host lists and do not want to be accused of third party manipulation of their handled lists they are very strict. Now do you get the same effect with a sciantastic message to warhead? Will they allow one list to get sent to another without reverse dns? Curious.
In another note I suspect that within 2 years all mail which fails reverse dns will be dropped on the floor. Best practice documents like
[link|http://e-com.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inecic-ceac.nsf/en/gv00329e.html|http://e-com.ic.gc.c.../en/gv00329e.html]
section 11 pertains to you.
The industry is trying to regulate itself before government does it for us and the document above is being looked at very carefully by all providers.
HTH,
Bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #245,549
2/20/06 4:26:43 PM
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Now that's something I needed to know.
Two years, you say? Well - that should give me a little time, anyway. In the meantime I still have the option of using Speakeasy's server, should I be forced to.
As to warhead, I never even thought of sending Scientastic there; geez - I think I'd get CRUCIFIED for spamming the list... Especially if Ranger Bill started critiquing the articles, when nobody here had ever heard of him...
Besides, if everybody started reading Scientastic, I'd have nothing to post in the Science forum on slow days!
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #245,552
2/20/06 6:26:49 PM
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list handling itself is a whole nother topic
if everyone used dkim signed mail does the list replace the original sig with its own? Add a new sig? Can list software be dkim aware at all? How does an dkim aware mta handle a list. All questions waiting to be answered.
thanx.,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #245,521
2/20/06 11:55:59 AM
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Put the needle on the record....skrrrpppt!
AOL, Yahoo etc... are all flexing muscle right now in the "spam being rejected" arena.
AOL, used to blindly reject Known Dynamic Addresses. Now I believe the are rating SPAM, using the feedback methods built into the AOL mail stuff.
Yahoo, use public and private info to mark stuff as spam.
Me, I use Spamassassin with DCC, Pyzor, RulesDuJour and clamav. I am changing to doing the scanning at smtp time very soon. Right now I have it looping it around through the checking gauntlet before re-submitting to route properly.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyFreedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;
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