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Post #245,544
by imric
2/20/06 3:28:06 PM
2/20/06 4:12:44 PM
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New Sent...
Gone fishing?
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
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Sent...
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
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Post #245,547
by boxley
2/20/06 4:08:03 PM
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New clearly the issue
nslookup imrics.net gives me your 216.X.X.X address, nslookup of the 216 address gives me your provider. As an ISP I may assign weight to that fact. Warhead tho appears to be a stickler because they host lists and do not want to be accused of third party manipulation of their handled lists they are very strict. Now do you get the same effect with a sciantastic message to warhead? Will they allow one list to get sent to another without reverse dns? Curious.

In another note I suspect that within 2 years all mail which fails reverse dns will be dropped on the floor. Best practice documents like
[link|http://e-com.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inecic-ceac.nsf/en/gv00329e.html|http://e-com.ic.gc.c.../en/gv00329e.html]
section 11 pertains to you.

The industry is trying to regulate itself before government does it for us and the document above is being looked at very carefully by all providers.
HTH,
Bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #245,549
by imric
2/20/06 4:26:43 PM
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New Now that's something I needed to know.
Two years, you say? Well - that should give me a little time, anyway. In the meantime I still have the option of using Speakeasy's server, should I be forced to.

As to warhead, I never even thought of sending Scientastic there; geez - I think I'd get CRUCIFIED for spamming the list... Especially if Ranger Bill started critiquing the articles, when nobody here had ever heard of him...

Besides, if everybody started reading Scientastic, I'd have nothing to post in the Science forum on slow days!



Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #245,552
by boxley
2/20/06 6:26:49 PM
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New list handling itself is a whole nother topic
if everyone used dkim signed mail does the list replace the original sig with its own? Add a new sig? Can list software be dkim aware at all? How does an dkim aware mta handle a list. All questions waiting to be answered.
thanx.,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
     Mail servers? - (tuberculosis) - (66) - Feb. 18, 2006, 02:12:39 AM EST
         no imap, bad monkey - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2006, 02:30:52 AM EST
             I think I wasn't clear on my use case. - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2006, 04:49:37 AM EST
                 mailx is your friend, why teach an app mail when you can - (boxley) - Feb. 18, 2006, 09:12:29 AM EST
         Look into courier for imap & squirrelmail for webmail -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2006, 02:44:40 AM EST
             Aye - I use both - they work really well. - (imric) - Feb. 18, 2006, 03:00:40 AM EST
             Seconded with a proviso. - (static) - Feb. 20, 2006, 06:39:26 AM EST
         Here's what I do - (broomberg) - (59) - Feb. 18, 2006, 11:22:33 AM EST
             I question the reverse DNS thing. - (imric) - (58) - Feb. 18, 2006, 11:45:15 AM EST
                 Almost ALL DSL ISPs refused mine - (broomberg) - (14) - Feb. 18, 2006, 06:14:14 PM EST
                     I send to both Comcast and AOL - (imric) - (13) - Feb. 18, 2006, 10:46:04 PM EST
                         Can't answer that - (broomberg) - (12) - Feb. 18, 2006, 10:56:39 PM EST
                             Karsten always bitched that he couldn't mail his mum... - (pwhysall) - (11) - Feb. 19, 2006, 03:20:13 AM EST
                                 K - but that isn't a DNS issue... - (imric) - (10) - Feb. 19, 2006, 08:44:07 AM EST
                                     Yeah, it was. - (pwhysall) - (9) - Feb. 19, 2006, 09:39:32 AM EST
                                         And that has WHAT to do with the names? - (imric) - (8) - Feb. 19, 2006, 12:16:00 PM EST
                                             It's BOTH - (broomberg) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2006, 12:45:04 PM EST
                                                 I don't have just a client. Except if you claim EVERY - (imric) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2006, 03:19:37 PM EST
                                                     OK. maybe I've both misunderstood and overreacted - (broomberg) - (5) - Feb. 19, 2006, 04:00:36 PM EST
                                                         Well - that's the way I understood warhead to work - (imric) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2006, 04:32:21 PM EST
                                                             Is this a personal or business account? - (broomberg) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2006, 04:46:11 PM EST
                                                                 Personal - - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 19, 2006, 04:49:04 PM EST
                                                                     You need to pay speakeasy more money to make it work. - (broomberg) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2006, 05:02:39 PM EST
                                                                         No surprises. - (imric) - Feb. 19, 2006, 05:43:12 PM EST
                 break down, haul yer ass uphill for dinner and beer - (boxley) - (42) - Feb. 19, 2006, 09:04:21 PM EST
                     How can you help - (broomberg) - (41) - Feb. 19, 2006, 09:22:30 PM EST
                         gotta get him drunk first - (boxley) - (40) - Feb. 19, 2006, 09:33:57 PM EST
                             Since your shop SHOULD refuse his email... - (broomberg) - (39) - Feb. 19, 2006, 09:36:08 PM EST
                                 naw, I whitelisted him :-) - (boxley) - Feb. 19, 2006, 10:36:48 PM EST
                                 OT we need to back channel about yer bidness moydel - (boxley) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2006, 10:39:53 PM EST
                                     Send contact info to biz account - (broomberg) - (5) - Feb. 19, 2006, 11:00:16 PM EST
                                         two stupid for that - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2006, 11:35:18 PM EST
                                             This your work #? -NT - (broomberg) - Feb. 19, 2006, 11:42:34 PM EST
                                             Does not work - (broomberg) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2006, 08:20:56 AM EST
                                                 well if I could type and was not dyslexic - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2006, 09:26:19 AM EST
                                                     Can't go there right now - (broomberg) - Feb. 20, 2006, 10:36:29 AM EST
                                 A bug in all systems? - (imric) - (30) - Feb. 19, 2006, 10:45:12 PM EST
                                     He whitelisted you - (broomberg) - (29) - Feb. 19, 2006, 11:31:25 PM EST
                                         Very possible. Very plausible. -NT - (imric) - Feb. 19, 2006, 11:41:47 PM EST
                                         That is ... - (drewk) - (7) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:23:06 AM EST
                                             For *very* low values of "multi-week". - (CRConrad) - (3) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:46:15 AM EST
                                                 You finished? - (drewk) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:37:50 AM EST
                                                     Fsck, there was THAT much of it? - (CRConrad) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:45:15 AM EST
                                                     And that was IN flames. - (imric) - Feb. 20, 2006, 07:17:09 AM EST
                                             Um. No. - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2006, 07:13:56 AM EST
                                                 Oh come on, I was just poking CRC - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:05:45 AM EST
                                                     And quite deservedly so. <shakes head/> -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 21, 2006, 02:11:14 AM EST
                                         no sharing of whitelists, only black -NT - (boxley) - (19) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:16:01 AM EST
                                             *grumble* - (imric) - (18) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:19:09 AM EST
                                                 See what I mean? - (drewk) - (17) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:23:22 AM EST
                                                     *sigh* I suppose so. - (imric) - (16) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:44:26 AM EST
                                                         My variation on that - (drewk) - (14) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:54:14 AM EST
                                                             Our network admin was just bit by that - (imric) - (13) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:59:04 AM EST
                                                                 what exactly is the error you get? -NT - (boxley) - (12) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:11:15 PM EST
                                                                     I'll let you know after I see him - - (imric) - (11) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:20:24 PM EST
                                                                         oops replied to wrong post - (boxley) - (10) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:27:49 PM EST
                                                                             Here: - (imric) - (9) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:45:39 PM EST
                                                                                 Have you tried e-mailing Alaric? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2006, 01:59:11 PM EST
                                                                                     Nah - I have a workaround. - (imric) - Feb. 21, 2006, 07:13:15 AM EST
                                                                                 send an email to function01 at cigarboat.cox.net thx -NT - (boxley) - (6) - Feb. 20, 2006, 02:12:00 PM EST
                                                                                     DIrectly? 1 min - have to reset sendmail to send directly. -NT - (imric) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2006, 02:54:04 PM EST
                                                                                         let me know when, hasnt hit my mta yet -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2006, 03:25:50 PM EST
                                                                                     Sent... - (imric) - (3) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:12:44 PM EST
                                                                                         clearly the issue - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:08:03 PM EST
                                                                                             Now that's something I needed to know. - (imric) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2006, 04:26:43 PM EST
                                                                                                 list handling itself is a whole nother topic - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2006, 06:26:49 PM EST
                                                         Put the needle on the record....skrrrpppt! - (folkert) - Feb. 20, 2006, 11:55:59 AM EST

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