The ignorance around here is staggering

Post #244,879 by tuberculosis 2/16/06 1:16:11 AM 2/16/06 1:17:38 AM Reply	The ignorance around here is staggering [link\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2411\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2411] [link\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3269\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3269] And you'd be pissed if every single camera out there used a proprietary image format, wouldn't ya. So you do care at some level about the implementation of your camera. I will toss out one more little datapoint. Remember Hypercard? It was a dead easy sort of "thing" maker you could use to produce content with a great little language that was a LOT like english. People with no technical skills at all built all kinds of things with it to solve problems of their own. End user programming remains an unfilled need. Better apps isn't the answer - better components that are easy to stick together to do things is. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Feb. 16, 2006, 01:17:38 AM EST The ignorance around here is staggering [link\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2411\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2411] [link\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3269\|http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3269] I will toss out one more little datapoint. Remember Hypercard? It was a dead easy sort of "thing" maker you could use to produce content with a great little language that was a LOT like english. People with no technical skills at all built all kinds of things with it to solve problems of their own. End user programming remains an unfilled need. Better apps isn't the answer - better components that are easy to stick together to do things is. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Collapse All History
Post #244,907 by drewk 2/16/06 9:06:14 AM Reply	We disagree with you, so we're ignorant ... good call === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #244,949 by tuberculosis 2/16/06 11:33:15 AM Reply	Something about photos - not capable - links what did I miss there? "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #244,965 by tonytib 2/16/06 11:54:38 AM Reply	Something about Photoshop, easy to use, etc not webcams and filters. Usefulness to me: zero. Photoshop filters are quite easy to use, and besides PS does so much more that's critical; for example, using magic wand to select areas that I want to apply the filter to. I'm sure that could be done in Squeak, but I highly doubt it has. I have no doubt there's a lot of value in Squeak. Heck, I like components a lot; even COM components can add a lot of value (I know COM components can also add a lot of pain). But Squeak isn't going to replace applications. There's a lot of value in putting together the components to make a polished finished product. After all, it's not that hard to make your own MP3 player using standard components (Circuit Cellar has articles on it), but it is hard to make one with a good user interface like the iPod. --Tony
Post #244,972 by folkert 2/16/06 12:18:35 PM Reply	Heck... I can do all that stuff using ImageMagick from teh sukcy command line. If I were to have to run a squeak VM just to do video / image processing, I'd refrain. Anything that they were showing can be done in Photoshop, yes even scriptable. But why script with Photoshop when ImageMagick is about a trillion time faster for doing the simple to very complex things Photoshop does. Not to mention re-inventing the wheel for image and video processing in squeak. But each has its points. It is just a matter of using what you have. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #244,909 by admin 2/16/06 9:09:16 AM Reply	The arrogance around here is staggering. Get off your fucking high horse, Todd. No where did I say that components are bad. Yes, scriptable/programmable things are nice... for about 5% of the public. In the end, the user could care less if everything is written in GOTOs and INTERCAL, as long as it does what they want it to do. And once again, oh-so-enlightened one: DATA FORMAT IS NOT IMPLEMENTATION. It can drive it, yes, but you can have completely non-componentized cameras that all use the same image format. So quit pissing on everyone here because they don't agree with you about user's wants, and stop trying to represent that disagreement as stupidity and ignorance. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #244,950 by tuberculosis 2/16/06 11:34:53 AM Reply	Fine - you're all wrong and we'll leave it at that becuase I can barely cope with the UI complexity of my cell phone - but the teenagers are all over them. You say users can't deal with complexity and don't care. I see different. You can stop replying any time. Cool huh. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #244,969 by admin 2/16/06 12:07:44 PM Reply	As soon as you stop misrepresenting me I will I didn't say "can't" and I didn't say they all don't care. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

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