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New Letter to Ashok Kumar, MP
Tuesday 14 February 2006

Dear Ashok Kumar,

Yet again an opportunity has been lost to protect the underpinning freedom from state intrusion that forms such an important part of the relationship between the people and the government.

I am immensely disappointed to note that you voted with the government on this issue, when there are no demonstrable benefits to ID cards at all; they won't protect against identity theft (they will, however, make it much more difficult to recover from), they won't reduce crime (identity is rarely a problem), they won't help prevent terrorism (the 7/7 bombers were, after all, completely identifiable British citizens), and they won't help me in my daily life.

The only saving grace is that the government's complete inability to implement large IT projects on time, on budget and on spec offers a glimpse of light at the bottom of the abyss.

I didn't vote for you at the last election because of this single issue; the only party with sufficient backbone to stand up and say "No" to ID cards was the Liberal Democrat party, so that is where my vote had to go. This is a shame, because I think you're a good constituency MP.

Please reconsider your position on this issue. ID cards are without credibility in the security community, they will cost an enormous amount of money, and I will see no benefit at all.

Finally, I would like your answer to the following question:

If I've done nothing wrong, (and don't look like I'm about to), and am just quietly going about my business, why does the government need to know who I am or what I'm doing?

Yours sincerely,

9a61dd819f2dab76bf0e0ffa397836f4b66f4dda
(Signed with an electronic signature in accordance with subsection 7(3) of the Electronic Communications Act 2000.)


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Expand Edited by pwhysall Feb. 22, 2006, 03:42:03 PM EST
New Any time to do the transcription? Also IEEE Spectrum.
January 2006 IEEE Spectrum: [link|http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jan06/2597|Loser - Britian's Identity Crisis]:

In a press conference on 27 June 2005, Blair noted that this year the UK and other countries will begin issuing passports with chips containing biometric data, as recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organization. The introduction of biometric passports, he said, "makes identity cards an idea whose time has come."

Not everyone agrees. That same day, the prestigious London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) released a 300-page report on the project. More than 100 industry and academic experts from all over the world contributed to the study, available at [link|http://is.lse.ac.uk/idcard|http://is.lse.ac.uk/idcard] .

"We're trying to say this is not the only way to do an identity card scheme," says Edgar A. Whitley, a researcher at LSE and one of the coordinators of the report.

The study says that ID cards could in principle have some benefits to citizens, but it criticizes the current proposal for lacking well-defined goals; for example, the government never clearly explained what impact ID cards would have on identity theft and terrorism. Moreover, the report says, the ID cards' proponents hugely underestimated the project's cost. The government projection is \ufffd584 million per year, or about \ufffd5.8 billion for the expected 10-year rollout. But the LSE study estimated the expenditures at \ufffd10.6 billion to \ufffd19.2 billion.

The LSE researchers also concluded that the project's deepest flaws are of a technical nature. "The controversy, challenges, and threats arising from the Government's identity proposals," they wrote, "are largely due to the technological design itself."

First, there is the idea of a single central database, which they note could become a critical choke point if it suffers failures and denial-of-service attacks. And then there is the use of biometric systems, whose accuracy levels may not be adequate to handle such a large number of individuals, resulting in identification errors.

[...]


Cheers,
Scott.
New Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP
14th February 2006

Dear Mr Whysall,

Thank you for you faxed letter of today's date regarding ID cards. Thank you also for your kind words.

I have to say that whilst I appreciate your sincerity and your arguments, I do have to say that I am basically in favour of ID cards and voted for the Government on this issue yesterday. They can prevent identity theft - a growing problem in this country. They can strengthen immigration and border controls, they can help misuse and fraud of public services and they can be a deterrent to organised crime.

Look in particular at identity theft and the possible misuse of public services - to me the two key issues and two key benefits of any scheme.

Improvements in technology have made all our lives easier. Transactions usch as paying a bill which once took many minutes are now done in seconds over the telephone and the Internet. But these advances also bring risks. Criminals are recognising that our identities are just as valuable, if not more so, than our material possessions. A few items stolen from a rubbish bin such as utility bills and credit card statements can lead to huge financial losses as well as distress and inconvenience for victims in putting their records straight. On average victims can spend 60 hours restoring their records. An ID cards scheme - as the legislation says - is first and foremost for the benefit of citizens, giving them a means to protect their identity and to be able to prove it in a secure and straightforward manner.

In terms of misuse of public services I believe than an ID card scheme will give people assurance that those using public services are entitled to do so and are not abusing the scheme. It will also make access to public services for thise who are entitled to them more straightfoward and secure. Expectations about the quality of public services are increasing, yet citizens are inconvenienced by having to re-identify themselves to public services on different occasions. This also wastes public resources. The range of services that can be offered on-line can be limited without a definitive, highly secure and reliable means of proving identity.

Many people are, I admit, concerned about possible costs of such a scheme. The steps needed to improve security will incur costs. However the costs need to be weighed against the benefits that I have listed above. I suspect that some of the costs that have gained wide publicity are wide of the mark, and I do know that the Home Secretary is looking at this aspect of any scheme seriously. I feel there may well be a capped cost, but this is still open to debate.

I hope that this is helpful and this answers your question. Put simply the only ones who should fear ID cards are those who may have reasons to be fearful. They should not bother the honest law abiding person.

Yours Sincerely

Ashok Kumar MP


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New ...the FRACK?
Put simply the only ones who should fear ID cards are those who may have reasons to be fearful. They should not bother the honest law abiding person.


I don't think I even need to say anything. It speaks for itself.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New What a fscking MORON!
Improvements in technology have made all our lives easier. Transactions usch as paying a bill which once took many minutes are now done in seconds over the telephone and the Internet. But these advances also bring risks. Criminals are recognising that our identities are just as valuable, if not more so, than our material possessions. A few items stolen from a rubbish bin such as utility bills and credit card statements can lead to huge financial losses as well as distress and inconvenience for victims in putting their records straight. On average victims can spend 60 hours restoring their records. An ID cards scheme - as the legislation says - is first and foremost for the benefit of citizens, giving them a means to protect their identity and to be able to prove it in a secure and straightforward manner. [emphasis added]

Yo, fucknuts!1 You wanna explain how the fuck your oh-so-dear-and-highly-secure ID card scheme proposes to prevent identity theft from "A few items stolen from a rubbish bin"? Oh, you can't?!? Didn't think so, you fuckin ignorant parrot!

Oh, and what Thane said, too!








1  Just to make sure we're clear, the fucknuts in question would the the Rather-Less-Than-Hono(u)rable Ashok Kumar MP, not the Rather-More-Hono(u)rable Peter Whysall.)
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New He's not a moron, that's the problem.
What he is is unwilling to vote against the whip.


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New OK, let me rephrase that, then...
"What a spineless, lazy, afraid-to-think-for-himself, parroting, never-had-an-original-thought-in-his-pathetic-life, glad-handing, fscking MORON!"

Better?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New That's bollocks, too.
He's a good MP, just clueless on this issue.


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New Prolly doesn't get some of the finer points of parliamentary
democracy, like the role of the whip.

In a parliament, voting against your party (except in rare, well-defined circumstances usually called 'votes of conscience' by the government before the vote is actually held) is pretty much the same thing as quitting the party. In a parliament, this is a big deal, as theoretically any time the governing party loses a vote they my no longer form the government. In practice, the votes that cause the automatic fall of the government are restricted to what are called confidence motions; any money bill is a confidence motion, and other high profile things like declarations of war, plus anything the government says is a confidence motion.

The whip's job is to make sure the members are well aware of which motions absolutely require toeing the party line, and which ones allow more flexibility. While the ID card bill may not have been a vote of confidence (you'd know more about that, Peter), probably the government thought it was desirable to have all the members vote in favour, and instructed the whip to let their party's MPs know that voting against the government on this one was Not An Option (as is usually the case in parliamentary systems).

Voting against your party means not getting the support of your party when you need it, like during reelections, or when budget decisions that affect your riding are being made, etc etc. He may very well dislike this bill on principle, but think that it'll be better for his riding and his constituents in the long run if he goes with the party on this one.

This is basically similar to a Republican congressman voting for a bill he doesn't like since it's apparently a done deal anyway and he can use his vote to horse trade for considerations for his district at more important times.
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New Thanks for the primer on the finer points of ...
...Parliamentary Wrangling. (And you were right...this is news to me).

I guess I've been spoiled. In my district we have a long history of an independent centrest representative. It was Democratic when I moved here, it's now Republican, and I'll probably vote for him this time, since I've seen him cross party lines several times.
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New He's a good MP...
...but is unwilling or unable to vote against his whip? I dunno what criteria you use to determine the Kgoodness of your representatives back on the Continent, but around here, we have this rather provincial attitude that a representative needs to represent his constituents, not dictate to them what The Imperial He is going to do. If the vast majority of the people in your district (or whatever you call them out there) is in favor of ID cards, then he is a good representative, and you need to find new digs! If, on the other hand, the majority of the people he so poignantly claims to represent see that ID cards are tripe, then he is the lazy, slothful, spineless wimp of a MORON that I submitted to you much earlier in this thread, and he needs to find a new job (there are plenty of places in the Body Corproate where he'll fit in right nicely). I don't know you local politics...what is your district's bent in this area?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New You're all excitable, aren't you?
He's not a moron; morons don't have two degrees and a doctorate (in proper, hard sciences: Chemical Engineering (BSc), Process Analysis and Control Theory (MSc), Fluid Mechanics (PhD) - these qualify him as a Clever Bastard™), and morons don't get re-elected in formerly hostile constituencies.

To be honest, when you start frothing like that, I stop listening; that may be the way American politics is conducted, but we do things slightly differently over here. I can guarantee you that if I write to him and call him names, he'll write back saying "thank you for your letter" and that'll be the end of the dialogue.

And you really need to understand how a party whip works in a parliamentary democracy before diving in feet first; it's neither as simple nor as clear-cut as you seem to think.

Sorry if this sounds boringly condescending.


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New Heheh.
Politic is more fun over there; first time I saw it on CNN I thought I was seening an episode of Monty Python I had somehow missed...

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Not a moron. Just another whore. Same as ours.
You're just as fucked as we are. Sorry about that...

OT: Do you have any good guess at how many idiots I have in my corproate infrastucture that have advanced degrees? This turkey might actually be a clever bastard but if he gave up the ability to know right from wrong he's just another fucking lawyer. But what do I know? How many idiots do we put in public office?
New To answer your question ...
Q: How many idiots do we put in public office?

A: All of them.




And that doesn't even require a [sarcasm] tag. Is there a [truth] tag?
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New Nah... Not enough room.
Got A LOTTA idiots
New On second thought...
my response was like the single-issue gomers that I generally tend to despise. My bad...
Now, how,in a free society do we get our representitives to actually represent us? Is giving use 80% of what we want acceptable? It's a "B" most places... better than you would normally expect from government. On the other paw, if you're only 20% buggered, you're still buggered.
There has to be some accountability.
New Now you're just being thick
I can guarantee you that if I write to him and call him names, he'll write back saying "thank you for your letter" and that'll be the end of the dialogue.
I wouldn't write him and call him names, and if you read carefully (at least, more carefully that you apparently have), I've been advocating all along that he be written to solicit for an apology for quite clearly stating that people who don't agree with his scripted dronings in this area are criminals. If it ever got down to a face-to-face, and he were to refuse to apologize, then (and only then) might some thunder need to be invoked.
[...] that may be the way American politics is conducted, but we do things slightly differently over here.
Yes, you blokes seem to prefer shouting back and forth across the aisle at one another...
And you really need to understand how a party whip works in a parliamentary democracy before diving in feet first;[...]
See [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=245969|this post] for my response to jake123's attempts to enlighten me.
Sorry if this sounds boringly condescending.
Yes...well it is consistent with what one would expect in your posts.
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New Re: Now you're just being thick
Sorry if this sounds boringly condescending.
Yes...well it is consistent with what one would expect in your posts.

Oh, fuck off.


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New Oh, did you get your widdy biddy fewings hurt?
So, it's ok for you to be a smug smartass, but when somebody brings it back atcha, you get all huffy?

Baby, baby, baby!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New Not really.
You were being a raving dipshit, and I got tired of it.


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New In other words, he's not open to contrary evidence.
It's a pretty nice form letter. I've got a few like that from my representatives (not on this topic though).

It's good you wrote him, even if it looks like it won't change his mind in this case.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I've already had a really good fume about this.


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New I'd smack him upside the haid (verbally, of course)...
About the "law abiding citizen has nothing to fear" bullshit. He's effectively called you a criminal, Peter, and I, for one, would not take such an affront from my non-Diebold-elected official without some serious fireworks, and a direct, face-to-face apology!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New I'm going to compose a measured response.
If I reply now, I'll be rude, and that won't help.


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New You must admit, though, it would be rather cathartic.
It might be worth writing the pissy response now just to get it out of your system.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New Write it, but don't mail it.
Write well thought out response later.
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New Re: Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP
14th February 2006


Dear Mr Whysall,


Thank you for you faxed letter of today's date regarding ID cards. Thank you also for your kind words.


I have to say that whilst I appreciate your sincerity and your arguments, I do have to say that I am basically in favour of ID cards and voted for the Government on this issue yesterday. They can prevent identity theft - a growing problem in this country. They can strengthen immigration and border controls, they can help misuse and fraud of public services and they can be a deterrent to organised crime.

As usual, the actual "how" is carefully glossed over in favour of a repeated assertion that ID cards will act as some kind of universal salve for the irritations of ID theft, illegal immigration, benefit fraud and crime. It's time to give us details. ID thieves will continue to operate, and the potential winnings will increase. Illegal immigrants don't have any identity details at the moment, so nothing would change; illegal immigrants with lots of money will simply spend more of it to get faked ID cards. Benefit fraudsters don't usually forge their identity, and neither do most criminals. Again, the criminal elite will simply obtain a forged or cloned or stolen identity card. What have we solved? Have we raised the bar for drink-fuelled violence, petty street crime, car theft or burglary? Do the crimes which involve identity manipulation even occur all that often? I feel that these questions must be answered in detailed but plain English. I suspect, however, that there will be no explanation or justification forthcoming, but rather repeated assertions that ID cards Will Deliver The Security Goods.
Look in particular at identity theft and the possible misuse of public services - to me the two key issues and two key benefits of any scheme.

OK.
Improvements in technology have made all our lives easier. Transactions usch as paying a bill which once took many minutes are now done in seconds over the telephone and the Internet. But these advances also bring risks. Criminals are recognising that our identities are just as valuable, if not more so, than our material possessions. A few items stolen from a rubbish bin such as utility bills and credit card statements can lead to huge financial losses as well as distress and inconvenience for victims in putting their records straight. On average victims can spend 60 hours restoring their records. An ID cards scheme - as the legislation says - is first and foremost for the benefit of citizens, giving them a means to protect their identity and to be able to prove it in a secure and straightforward manner.

And when the ID card is cloned, as it will be, because an identity will now be of much more value than before, how many hours will it take for the victim to recover their records? How will an ID card prove anything? Will I be required to present it when making a purchase? When applying for a new credit card? When opening a bank account?
In terms of misuse of public services I believe than an ID card scheme will give people assurance that those using public services are entitled to do so and are not abusing the scheme. It will also make access to public services for thise who are entitled to them more straightfoward and secure. Expectations about the quality of public services are increasing, yet citizens are inconvenienced by having to re-identify themselves to public services on different occasions. This also wastes public resources. The range of services that can be offered on-line can be limited without a definitive, highly secure and reliable means of proving identity.

This entire argument rests on the presupposition that people who defraud public services use false identities to do so. They don't. They use their own identities and simply lie. Unless, of course, there is evidence to the contrary. ID cards are not fraud prevention devices; they are citizen control devices.
Many people are, I admit, concerned about possible costs of such a scheme. The steps needed to improve security will incur costs. However the costs need to be weighed against the benefits that I have listed above. I suspect that some of the costs that have gained wide publicity are wide of the mark, and I do know that the Home Secretary is looking at this aspect of any scheme seriously. I feel there may well be a capped cost, but this is still open to debate.

Oh, a "capped cost". What you really mean is that the Home Secretary will attempt to shout the cost into submission. This is management by wishful thinking, and it doesn't work. It will cost whatever it costs, because the government will be unable to resist the PFI/PPP mantra and the private sector always gets its pound of flesh. At least, I suppose, no-one's (yet) mentioned the idea of implementing the database as a DBFO. This, too, raises further questions; will the National ID Register (or whatever it shall be called) be built on British technology, or that imported from abroad? Put simply, will the most important database in the country be constructed on software that we fundamentally cannot trust?
I hope that this is helpful and this answers your question. Put simply the only ones who should fear ID cards are those who may have reasons to be fearful. They should not bother the honest law abiding person.

This is, quite simply, a terrifying statement.

As you can see, I am neither a knee-jerk reactionary nor anywhere near convinced that ID cards represent anything other than a massive loss opportunity in both fiscal and political terms. The redefinition of the relationship between citizen and state that would occur (i.e. that the state would gain the right to define the citizen) is, to me, unacceptable and contrary to the prevailing political and constitutional spirit which goes toward defining what it means to be British.


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New Very well stated.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New Agreed...Very well stated. However...
...Peter missed the opportunity to show umbrage (or, at least, penumbrage) at the assertion that he, Peter, were anything other than a law-abiding citizen...who thought the ID cards were a load of bollocks. He shouldhave at least solicited an apology from His Royal Arrogance, MPee.
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New "Transparent Society" ... philosophical question
Suppose the ID card scheme, or really any possible identity verification scheme, could really work perfectly: Absolute certainty that a person is who they say they are; Complete elimination of identity theft and all crimes based on forged identity credentials. But this comes with the (unintended?) side-effect that everyone's movements can be tracked at all times.

Is this:
  • Good?
  • Bad?
  • Inevitable?
  • Preventable?

I haven't read [link|http://www.davidbrin.com/tschp1.html|The Transparent Society] yet. But I believe one of the tenets is that it has to be two-way: If someone can track me, I should know they're tracking me. That's one control we're already short on IMO.
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New Exactly what he says.
One of the main points of "The Transparent Society" is that everybody DOES watch everybody else - and it is completely legal. As far as telling if somebody is watching you; well, in such a society, you just assume everybody is.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New To me, that's not the same
It's one thing to know someone could be watching me. It's quite different to know they are watching. It's the whole problem with the DHS/FBI/etc wanting to get my library records without telling me. If you're going to be investigating me, I should know I'm being investigated.
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New Who watches the watchmen?
Any organized government is going to draw people who watch them right back - those people might use their time to notify those under watch that they are being watched. There's a lot fewer people that are professionally paid to watch others than there are people out there with spare time on their hands. Given the level of distrust of our government, I can imagine a lot of people taking it in their own hands to be watching the watchmen right back... Even going so far as to arrange groups that take rotating shifts and provide instant notifications.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New Send the moron this
[link|http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=E4UP4JUJB3I4UQSNDBESKHA?articleID=180201688|http://www.eetimes.c...ticleID=180201688]




"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:58 AM EDT
New Link doesn't work


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New 'Cellphone could crack RFID tags, says cryptographer'
Works now.
Shamir said the pressure to get tags down to five cents each has forced designers to eliminate any security features, a shortcoming that needs to be addressed in next-generation products.

Separately, cryptographers discussed the weaknesses in the fundamental SHA-1 hashing algorithm that were announced at the group\ufffds panel in 2005. "That was a real wake up call for cryptographers," said Rivest, who is also professor of electrical engineering and computer science at MIT.
Eventually these dullards will have to talk to real engineers.


(One hopes.)

     ID Card bill passed in the Commons. - (pwhysall) - (40)
         Excellent letter. I hope he sees it and takes it to heart. -NT - (Another Scott)
         The saddest aspect is - (Ashton)
         Your question is rhetorical, but the answer is: - (jb4)
         Letter to Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (36)
             Any time to do the transcription? Also IEEE Spectrum. - (Another Scott)
             Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (31)
                 ...the FRACK? - (inthane-chan)
                 What a fscking MORON! - (jb4) - (16)
                     He's not a moron, that's the problem. - (pwhysall) - (15)
                         OK, let me rephrase that, then... - (jb4) - (14)
                             That's bollocks, too. - (pwhysall) - (13)
                                 Prolly doesn't get some of the finer points of parliamentary - (jake123) - (1)
                                     Thanks for the primer on the finer points of ... - (jb4)
                                 He's a good MP... - (jb4) - (10)
                                     You're all excitable, aren't you? - (pwhysall) - (9)
                                         Heheh. - (imric)
                                         Not a moron. Just another whore. Same as ours. - (hnick) - (3)
                                             To answer your question ... - (drewk) - (1)
                                                 Nah... Not enough room. - (hnick)
                                             On second thought... - (hnick)
                                         Now you're just being thick - (jb4) - (3)
                                             Re: Now you're just being thick - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                 Oh, did you get your widdy biddy fewings hurt? - (jb4) - (1)
                                                     Not really. - (pwhysall)
                 In other words, he's not open to contrary evidence. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                     I've already had a really good fume about this. -NT - (pwhysall) - (4)
                         I'd smack him upside the haid (verbally, of course)... - (jb4) - (3)
                             I'm going to compose a measured response. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 You must admit, though, it would be rather cathartic. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                     Write it, but don't mail it. - (jbrabeck)
                 Re: Reply from Ashok Kumar, MP - (pwhysall) - (6)
                     Very well stated. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (5)
                         Agreed...Very well stated. However... - (jb4) - (4)
                             "Transparent Society" ... philosophical question - (drewk) - (3)
                                 Exactly what he says. - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                     To me, that's not the same - (drewk) - (1)
                                         Who watches the watchmen? - (inthane-chan)
             Send the moron this - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                 Link doesn't work -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                     'Cellphone could crack RFID tags, says cryptographer' - (Ashton)

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