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Post #244,319 by Arkadiy 2/12/06 3:29:48 PM Reply	I've got no Mac (yet?) How about something that runs on the inferior OS? ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #244,325 by tuberculosis 2/12/06 4:22:21 PM Reply	squeak.org "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #244,328 by pwhysall 2/12/06 5:19:59 PM Reply	Python? I'm the most unprogrammerish person in the world, and even I can get stuff done with that. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #244,443 by Arkadiy 2/13/06 6:27:52 PM Reply	I've seen Python and Squeak They are both fine tools, but you know, Peter - youre emphatically _not_ "the most unprogrammerish person in the world". You're in those damned 10% that make life harder for the rest of the humanity. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #244,483 by pwhysall 2/14/06 1:44:42 AM Reply	I'm shocked, sir. What 10% is that? I'm trying to work out if I've been insulted or complimented. Given that I have to ask, I suspect the former, in which case, bravo! Or, as they say on the CS:S servers, "pwned" Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #244,539 by Arkadiy 2/14/06 12:07:20 PM Reply	The 10% who understand things like iteration, arrays, the idea of restricted syntax, the fact that DWIM is not a command in any known computer language. As for the rest of us - someone I know asked a user to input a list of things into Word using Tab as separator. The user did what she was told, but she used spaces. When asked how the hell the computer should distinguish between the spaces that separate groups and the spaces inside groups, she smiled. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #244,540 by drewk 2/14/06 12:09:17 PM Reply	I've seen that smile It's usually followed by, "The same way I do, it looks at them." === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #244,541 by Arkadiy 2/14/06 12:13:45 PM Reply	The worst part is, she is righ. In most cases, it's possible to figure out that she uses more than one space to separate groups. But _she_ would be utterly incapable of writing the ad-hoc code that does it. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #244,992 by jb4 2/16/06 2:09:11 PM Reply	DWIM?!? Driving While Intoxicated, Mostly? jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #244,994 by boxley 2/16/06 2:13:24 PM Reply	do what I meant Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep

Kristen Nygaard and Programmable interfaces - (systems) - (86) - Feb. 1, 2006, 05:14:27 AM EST

What about his history is interesting? - (ben_tilly) - (85) - Feb. 1, 2006, 09:49:24 PM EST

Re: What about his history is interesting? - (systems) - (84) - Feb. 2, 2006, 03:40:40 AM EST

You would do better to read Alan Kay - (tuberculosis) - (82) - Feb. 2, 2006, 04:04:27 PM EST

Wow. - (Arkadiy) - (81) - Feb. 4, 2006, 08:59:38 PM EST

Did you see HTML on the list? - (ben_tilly) - (79) - Feb. 6, 2006, 04:09:49 PM EST

OK, could you explain? - (Arkadiy) - (78) - Feb. 11, 2006, 07:03:26 PM EST

I think the point is that they're tools that are pretty easy - (jake123) - Feb. 11, 2006, 07:24:33 PM EST

Here's an example - (tuberculosis) - (76) - Feb. 11, 2006, 11:13:34 PM EST

lrpd the whole damn thing -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 11, 2006, 11:09:25 PM EST

I admire your pattern of use for computers - (Arkadiy) - (15) - Feb. 12, 2006, 12:45:02 PM EST

Not necessarily so (the "beyond 90%" part). - (pwhysall) - (10) - Feb. 12, 2006, 12:53:11 PM EST

I've got no Mac (yet?) - (Arkadiy) - (9) - Feb. 12, 2006, 03:29:48 PM EST

squeak.org -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 12, 2006, 04:22:21 PM EST

Python? - (pwhysall) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2006, 05:19:59 PM EST

I've seen Python and Squeak - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:27:52 PM EST

I'm shocked, sir. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:44:42 AM EST

The 10% who understand things like - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:07:20 PM EST

I've seen that smile - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:09:17 PM EST

The worst part is, she is righ. - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:13:45 PM EST

DWIM?!? - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 02:09:11 PM EST

do what I meant -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 16, 2006, 02:13:24 PM EST

I don't believe the "crutch" is necessary - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 12, 2006, 04:21:57 PM EST

disagree, recently sent a example of an application - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:00:51 PM EST

A crutch - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:29:12 PM EST

I need to have me a look at that - (pwhysall) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:48:21 AM EST

I'd like that to be true, but don't think it is - (drewk) - (58) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:25:14 PM EST

Ive used that treehouse design, didnt think too much of it - (boxley) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:51:29 PM EST

You are a prisoner of your assumptions and conditioning - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Feb. 12, 2006, 11:53:09 PM EST

my point is that people use what they know - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 13, 2006, 08:30:08 AM EST

Yes - exactly - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2006, 04:42:47 PM EST

sounds like a fax lnp project to me :-) -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:24:45 PM EST

There's a central point we seem to differ on - (drewk) - (51) - Feb. 13, 2006, 09:04:53 AM EST

Yes, you can only think of one thing at a time - (tuberculosis) - (50) - Feb. 13, 2006, 04:55:43 PM EST

If I missed your point, it's because you forgot to make it - (drewk) - (49) - Feb. 13, 2006, 09:00:32 PM EST

But the applications *are* the walls - (tuberculosis) - (48) - Feb. 13, 2006, 10:50:05 PM EST

They're also inevitable - (drewk) - (47) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:32:04 AM EST

Necessary for other reasons as well - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:56:41 AM EST

There's a couple projects aimed at addressing security - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:15:51 PM EST

Bah, break for lunch and people go and end the discussion -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:42:58 PM EST

I've made it back to the office - gotta catch up! -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 14, 2006, 03:09:58 PM EST

email has walls? think again - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:22:35 PM EST

That's what client-side encryption is for -NT - (drewk) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:26:09 PM EST

As far as most recipients are concerned, it does - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:29:26 PM EST

like windows, its the perception of security that counts -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 08:25:23 PM EST

It is more complex than that - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:50:40 PM EST

I was the king of level 1 help desk - (tuberculosis) - (37) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:10:28 PM EST

Followed a link from the google search - (drewk) - (35) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:41:29 PM EST

Hey, I had people who didn't know a menu from a window - (tuberculosis) - (34) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:03:30 PM EST

I don't want to keep reinventing things - (drewk) - (33) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:18:58 PM EST

Taxes are probably a bad example. - (Another Scott) - (32) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:59:29 PM EST

Depends on what you want an example of - (drewk) - (31) - Feb. 14, 2006, 04:05:05 PM EST

Bingo - (tuberculosis) - (30) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:32:13 PM EST

You're fighting human nature - (drewk) - (29) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:02:41 PM EST

Take your last thought a little farther... - (Another Scott) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:59:50 PM EST

Evidence runs to the contrary - (tuberculosis) - (27) - Feb. 15, 2006, 01:47:00 PM EST

you can safely ignore drewk - (boxley) - Feb. 15, 2006, 01:59:17 PM EST

You have a much looser definition of "make stuff" than I do - (drewk) - (25) - Feb. 15, 2006, 03:06:11 PM EST

Complete Bollocks - (tuberculosis) - (24) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:28:06 PM EST

You're kidding me, right? - (admin) - (23) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:43:12 PM EST

There will always be people too old to learn - (tuberculosis) - (22) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:48:02 PM EST

I'll let you tell her she's "too old" to learn - (admin) - (21) - Feb. 15, 2006, 06:04:06 PM EST

It's also called respecting someone else's domain - (tonytib) - (20) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:03:06 PM EST

Point missed again - (tuberculosis) - (19) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:47:15 PM EST

And you're missing the point we're trying to make. - (admin) - (17) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:50:19 PM EST

I wouldn't say immaterial - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:54:20 PM EST

MP3 is a data format, not an architecture. - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:36:37 PM EST

Not my point - (jake123) - Feb. 16, 2006, 01:01:46 AM EST

I don't give a flip about your point - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:35:24 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:42:25 PM EST

Uh, yeah. - (admin) - (11) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:35:01 PM EST

I don't have to bow to nobody! - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:56:02 PM EST

Exactly. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 15, 2006, 10:05:11 PM EST

Right on! - (tonytib) - (8) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:30:54 AM EST

The ignorance around here is staggering - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2006, 01:17:38 AM EST

We disagree with you, so we're ignorant ... good call -NT - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 16, 2006, 09:06:14 AM EST

Something about photos - not capable - links - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:33:15 AM EST

Something about Photoshop, easy to use, etc - (tonytib) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:54:38 AM EST

Heck... - (folkert) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:18:35 PM EST

The arrogance around here is staggering. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2006, 09:09:16 AM EST

Fine - you're all wrong and we'll leave it at that - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:34:53 AM EST

As soon as you stop misrepresenting me I will - (admin) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:07:44 PM EST

You keep missing the point - (tonytib) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:19:16 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (lincoln) - March 3, 2006, 12:07:05 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4) - Feb. 13, 2006, 02:38:04 PM EST

The idea is that these are tools for adhoc computing - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 6, 2006, 04:38:29 PM EST

The short history.... - (ChrisR) - Feb. 2, 2006, 08:13:20 PM EST

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