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New The State of the Parties
I watched the President's State of the Union speech. It was a speech that had to be seen to be fully appreciated. It wasn't just Bush talking. It was the interaction from the audience. Particularly the left half. Bush was tactically brilliant. He grabbed everything that had been thrown at him - the wiretap controversy, Social Security, spending, the energy crunch, Abramoff - and threw it right back, and most of it stuck. His enemies keep making the same two mistakes: they see him as vulnerable where he isn't, and they fail to see their own vulnerabilities on the exact same issues. It's as if they're projecting their own failings on to him.

Along the way, Bush blew the cover of the "loyal opposition" by spelling out the difference between constructive criticism and defeatism. And that audience reaction to the Social Security reform line is something they're never going to live down.

The speech wasn't perfect. It was awfully weak on domestic issues. For example, he didn't lob the energy issue back as hard as I would have liked. He should have dwelt on ANWR, in addition to all those technological solutions that won't pay off quick enough. But on foreign policy he reminded us all of what needed to be remembered - that we are in a war of civilizations, and nothing less than the future of freedom is at stake.

How about the Democratic response, by the eyebrow guy? It was pretty good, actually. I'd even say it was perfect. That is to say, it had no flaws, measured by the standard of the sort of speech it was. But Bush was better. Way better, despite his flaws. How can this be? It's simple. Bush's speech was an entirely different type of speech. A better type.

If you want to know exactly where Bush's speech was lacking, review the Democrat response to it. Kaine didn't miss a single opportunity. And he avoided all the usual pitfalls. He didn't attack the GWOT directly. he just nibbled on the corners - pensions and body armor. He attacked all the weak points, avoided all the strong points, and came out as well as could be hoped for. Kaine understands the rudiments of tactics.

But Bush won this contest. By the time he was halfway through it was already a foregone conclusion. The historians will ratify this judgment. Nothing Kaine could have said would have changed this.

Why? Two reasons: strategy and advanced tactics. Bush thinks strategically, exactly as a Commander in Chief of the leading democracy ought to. He has a vision, and he can articulate it, and he did. Democracy for the entire globe. What about tactics? Well, the way he turned all the criticisms back against his critics shows a mastery of tactics, beyond the beginner level.

His opposite number understands beginner tactics well enough. As for advanced tactics or strategy, he had no options there. His party has squandered all its best options with mindless carping on the war. It's not Kaine's fault. Well, actually it is. He picked a real loser of a party there.

(Speaking of strategy... I'm reminded of the first Presidential debate of 2004, when Bush was very much off his game. That fool Kerry chose a revealing analogy for the Iraq intervention: he said it was if in response to Pearl Harbor we had invaded... where was it? Somewhere other than North Africa, where we did in fact invade, and then went on to win the war Kerry showed vast ignorance both of history and of strategy in that remark. Bush could have hit that out of the park if he'd been more with it. Oh, well.)

What did the Democrat response have to offer against all this? Talk of management. Delivering government services efficiently. Good management. Effective management. Management, management, management. Now that's fine for the state and local levels. There pretty much everything is about management and delivering services. But the State of the Union is about the national level, and not just of any nation. Of the global superpower.

"There's a better way." A better way to do what? This, that and the other thing. But not the one important thing. Not a better way to make the world safe for democracy. Mr. Eyebrow didn't have anything to offer there. He was hoping we wouldn't notice.

What the Democrats don't seem to understand is that management isn't everything. At this level, you need leadership. Clinton didn't lead, he only managed. His foreign policy - such as it was - was what got us into this current mess. He tried to manage the terror problem, instead of solving it. That's [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/swatting.html|the fly-swatting mentality]. It's a poor substitute for vision and leadership.

To one whose only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The Democrats understand logistics (maybe) and so they think everything is a logistical problem. Bush knows better. And the voters sense, if perhaps imperfectly, that Bush is right. This country needs a leader, not a Pointy Haired Boss.

Actually, I'm being generous there, in search of a war metaphor. What the Democrats understand isn't logistics in the military sense. They understand the idea of moving goods and information in an organization. The smarter ones actually understand how to do it, on a certain scale. But everything's more complicated when there are lunatics trying to kill you. Somehow I don't think Kaine would do a much better job than the U.S. military.

Bush makes many little mistakes. Mistakes that his political opponents jump on like starving pit bulls, and then don't know what to do with. Bush makes many little mistakes, but those who oppose him make one huge mistake: they refuse to acknowledge that we are fighting for the future of our civilization, and that we deserve to win. Even if they knew how to exploit Bush's little mistakes, this one vast blunder of theirs outweighs all of his goofs combined. It absolutely destroys the Democrats' credibility. And this is why Bush can't be bothered to learn how to pronounce "nuclear." He knows it doesn't really matter.

(It could have been worse. Cindy Sheehan managed to get herself arrested for disorderly conduct before she could get on the cameras. That would have been something to see. She got arrested on purpose, of course. She just misjudged the timing, and so lost her camera opp. Anyway, we got to watch Hillary's face. And we also got to see a few foreign dignitaries squirm.)

[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/20050220.html|I blame the Left.] The extremist Left have hijacked this party, and are running it into the ground in a vain hope of riding to power on its coattails. This is *not* a win-win scenario. Both the parasite and its host are sick, and are slowly dying. Such is the fate of useful idiots, and of those who try to use them beyond their usefulness.

Democrats and Leftists, ask not at whom the smirking chimp smirks. He smirks at thee.

And what about the Republicans after Bush? Can they come up with another visionary to continue the fight for freedom? Well, at least they know that's what's needed. I'm sure they'll find someone. The Democrats are too stupid even to look for one. They still think the Presidency is just some sort of an upper management position.


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New Fine, you've pissed on the post this month...
See you in March, wanker.
New so when is bush and osama going to give it back?
" nothing less than the future of freedom is at stake." here in georgia we have the terrierists snatchers overtly covering the hamburgler and arresting her for jotting down his license plate. Isnt there a gaggle of islamisists you could be watching more productively? Oh I forgot you might get sued and shrub not invited to kissyface with the saudi's any more. So its the hamburgler, John Q travelling public and porn dealers that receive all the attention of the gestapo while the bad boys are cruising like sharks in the muslim soup over here.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Was it reallythat bad that you needed this many words . . .
. . to tell us how good it was?
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New The drive-by troll gains yet more responses
Including this. Crap.
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New Sorry to subvert your boycott . . .
. . but I view trolls like Marshmarlowe as light hearted entertainment - to be ignored if you please or to poke a stick at when you please. For sure if he responds he'll be working a lot harder than I did.

Unlike some here I just don't feel compelled to read every post or even every topic so I have no problem ignoring trolls when I'm not in the mood.

Should Michel Merlin have been disciplined? I'm not sure, but being banned was exactly what he was trying to achieve so even a short disciplinary "time out" played right into the hands of his warped ego - and the board's been a little duller for that.

I have to admit, though, that I get almost as much entertainment from they who take the trolls too seriously as I do from the trolls themselves.

This stuff just doesn't need to be take so seriously - like life itself shouldn't be taken too seriously - it ain't like it were permanent, you know.
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New And to amplify on that
On the "poking with a stick" part...It does tend to break up the day, and often provides some much-needed stress relief.

And besides, he's such a fuckin' berk...!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New It's bad alright. America is really in trouble.
Its leadership sucks.
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Expand Edited by jake123 Feb. 2, 2006, 08:47:00 AM EST
New How many times?
There is NO left wing (and especially not an "extremist" left wing) in American politics.

Arthur Scargill is "Extreme Left Wing".

No-one on the political stage in the USA even manages to get to the left of Tone, who's shaping up to a be a little to the right of Mrs T.

Stop blaming the mysterious shadows of TEH LEFT! (OMFG! ZERG RUSH!) for the shortcomings of the Democrats.

Here's an Actual Left Wing Policy for ya:

"Universal health care for all, based on clinical need, free at the point of delivery"

Now you know what Actual Left Wing Policies look like.


Peter
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New Then I must be left wing...
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New so the doctors work for free, the buildings get built free
Nurses and janitors put in 8 hrs a day for free and prescription drugs are free. You wouldnt be able to staff a two person clinic in all of america at that rate.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New 'Free at the point of delivery' means funded by tax
Matthew Greet


Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
New The sad thing is that...
most people in the US support that. And would be willing to pay higher taxes to get it.

Don't believe me? Randomly googling for it, [link|http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-10-19-health-poll_x.htm|http://www.usatoday....health-poll_x.htm] shows that in 2003 Americans prefered universal health care by a 2-1 margin. (Other polls have found a similar level of support.)

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Then there's what they *don't* support
No, I don't have a survey to point to that supports this. But let's do a thought experiment.

You ask:
Do you support free, universal health coverage for everyone?
There's your 2-to-1 margin.


Now ask:
Do you support government bureaucrats deciding what medical treatment you can receive?
Now what do you think it would be?


Yes, it's a false dichotomy. But that's what the commercials will say.
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New I know
It may be a false dichotomy, but it was also an accurate description of what was wrong with Hillary's single payer proposal. :-(

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New another question on government run health care
would you like to have the same treatment as the patients in a va hospital or BIA run health facility? Thats what scares anyone who has had to depend on either.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New I would like the same treatment that Congress gets
And their families.

That's how it works in Canada. And that fact helps keep the quality up.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New no question about the quality but the quantity sux
rather draconian wait times for some procedures.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Average wait times in the US are as long
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Yeah, but you get cable TV in the room


Peter
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New Wait times even longer in US if you have no $$
..like, forever...
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New everyone with a torn hangnail goes to the emergency
room the most expensive clinic in the US because they will treat you there at no cash up front. That is a major cause of rising healthcare costs. We need non urgent county run clinics that can run off of less tax dollars than huge hospitals that are tax subsidized by various entities
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Universal, tax funded health care sounds like a good thing.
Horror stories of long waits aside. If uncle Fred has an ulcer on his hip, and he is broke, he can still get the damn thing seen to.
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New It really depends on how it's done.
A year or so ago my wife and I were staying at a bed-and-breakfast in Banff, Alberta, Canada. There were 2 other couples staying there at the same time. One morning the wife of the younger couple came down and said her husband (let's call him Bob) wouldn't be at breakfast because he was feeling horrible. Bob was a big guy who obviously didn't exercise much but had been very active the day before. We all thought it might be something serious. The owner of the B&B said, "I have a doctor friend who has an office just a couple of houses down, I'll call him." She did, he saw Bob about 15 minutes later, checked him out, gave him something and Bob was much better within an hour or so.

In the US there's no way something like that would have happened that quickly. We were all impressed by how well and quickly Bob had been taken care of. There was some discussion, though, about the system in Canada being under pressure due to rapidly rising costs and lack of funding to keep up with the costs.


Even if taxpayer-funded care were universally available in the US, I have to believe there would continue to be a 2-tier system. The rich and powerful would want to be able to buy additional insurance and pay for more rapid access to specialists and for elective procedures. Cosmetic surgeons would still want income from discretionary surgery. How would we prevent a 2-tier system from decaying to the state that it (supposedly) did in the USSR? Roughly: Party hacks had clean, modern facilities while the proles were treated in dirty, unheated shacks without proper equipment or medication.

There is no silver bullet. I think most people have anxiety about catastrophic medical expenses. If they have insurance for such things, they worry about having enough money for the deductibles and co-pays, and worry about being dropped if they do develop and recover from an expensive condition. Or losing coverage if/when they change jobs. The middle-class worries about the expense of normal medical conditions (braces, root canals and crowns only get nominal coverage in my health insurance). The poor I've known realize that it's hopeless to be able to pay medical expenses. They worry, but the costs are just so large that they know there's little they can do about it when they need care. Public health demands that we do preventive medicine (to protect against epidemics, etc.). Compassion demands that we take care of the sick and dying. Politics demands that people not be bankrupted by catastrophic medical expenses. How does an affordable system address all of these concerns?

A system that encourages people who have insurance to think about visiting a physician (or a walk-in clinic) during normal hours rather than going to the emergency room at 2:00 AM is probably a good idea. But other than some elderly folks, I don't know of anyone who enjoys going to the doctor, so I don't think that having people pay $10-1$5 to visit a physician has much of an impact on who does and who doesn't go. Do co-pays make sense or do they just limit access to medical care by the poor?

How can market pressure be put on rising costs then? I'm not sure that it can. Getting medical care isn't like buying soup. Many people go into medicine because they can earn a very good living in the field. Drug companies push the development of new medicines because of the hope for big profits. Tinkering with these incentives will have some impact on the number of people who enter the field and the spending on medical research and development. How will, or should, that be addressed?

I don't think many are asking the right questions about why medical prices are rising so much.

1) Why does it cost so much to bring a new drug to market? Is it government paperwork? The cost of new technology to make the stuff and control the quality? The cost of people with the necessary expertise? The cost of advertising and marketing? The inefficiencies in the companies that cannot survive without a golden-goose drug that brings in huge profits (and thereby support all the more common drugs)? The cost of lawyers, settlements, and liability insurance? Greed? It's the way it's always been done and there are too many vested interests who want to keep it that way? Something else?

2) Why are hospitals so expensive but so often in financial trouble? Is it personnel costs? Disposable equipment costs? Stupid regulations (e.g. having to fill out 10s of pages of the same paperwork every time one visits)? Lack of study of how to make things more efficient in a hospital setting? Liability insurance? Lack of funding from the community and the government?

3) Why does the estimated federal contribution to Medicare and Medicaid increase so much every year? Increased salaries? Increased paperwork costs? Drugs? Keeping people alive past all hope? Etc.

4) Why are 40+M US people without health insurance for at least part of the year? Is it mainly due to changing jobs? Aren't there federal or state programs designed to ensure coverage continues between jobs? Are they working or not? Why are the poor lacking health insurance? Is it just lack of money, or is it lack of money-handling skills, or something else? What type of insurance would be necessary and beneficial for those who don't have it now? What should it cover, and what should not be covered? Should private companies provide it, or should it be a single, national system? Why or why not?

5) How would care be rationed in a single-payer system? How would controversial medical topics be addressed? Who decides whether abortion or electro-convulsive therapy or stomach stapling or special diets or crowns or LASIK surgery or knee replacement or liver replacement or experimental drugs or ... is justified and appropriate and thus covered, or not?

Without knowing the answers to questions like these, just saying that a taxpayer-funded single-payer system will be better is naive, IMHO. We need to know why costs are rising so much and why so few of the approaches tried in the past have resulted in medical inflation falling to the general rate for the economy as a whole.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who sometimes would like to see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray...)
New Answer to your (rhetorical) question:
How would we prevent a 2-tier system from decaying to the state that it (supposedly) did in the USSR?
Well, one way is to remove the Repos from power.

Their so-called Medicare "reform" is specifically designed to do exactly that: create a two-tiered system so that wealthy seniors get better care, anf the poorer seniors get diddly.

(Now, before Beep busts an artery, and to pre-empt a series of strawmen arguments, it is entirely possible that the Dems' would come up with a similar plan. But we don't know, do we, because the Repos have effectly shut off any access the Dems might have to the decision- and legislation-making process. We don't know what the Dems would do, we do however, know what the Repos will do. So you can put your red herrings back into the pot....)
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #243432 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=243432|ICLRPD.]
New Re: It really depends on how it's done.
Why are 40+M US people without health insurance for at least part of the year? Is it mainly due to changing jobs? Aren't there federal or state programs designed to ensure coverage continues between jobs? Are they working or not? Why are the poor lacking health insurance? Is it just lack of money, or is it lack of money-handling skills, or something else? What type of insurance would be necessary and beneficial for those who don't have it now? What should it cover, and what should not be covered? Should private companies provide it, or should it be a single, national system? Why or why not?

Generally the poor don't have medical coverage because in the US, because if the company you work for doesn't provide it you probably can't afford it. For a number of reasons buying insurance for yourself is much more expensive then a company doing so for it's employees. Worse, because the market is designed to sell to companies, it can actually be hard to find out about plans for individuals or what the details of those plans are.

Cobra, the plan that lets you stay on an old jobs coverage, requires you pay whatever the company does for the coverage, plus a paperwork charge plus whatever you where paying to begin with. This means that it tends to be one of the first things that unemployeed people drop when their money begins to run short. Cobra works, but it would work a lot better if the government subsized part of the payment costs for a period.

Jay
New I still think the first step
is to privatize Health Insurance.

(Wait a minute - isn't Health Insurance already private, you ask?)

Nope. Join a company and you're only offered THEIR health insurance. Change jobs...and odds are your looking to change health insurances at the same time.

This favors the big companies (with hundreds of thousands of employees) and tends to leave teh little guys out in the cold. (Yes there are companies that will offer individual health insurance, but you have to hunt high and low for them.)

My method would force them out in the open.
     The State of the Parties - (marlowe) - (27)
         Fine, you've pissed on the post this month... - (rcareaga)
         so when is bush and osama going to give it back? - (boxley)
         Was it reallythat bad that you needed this many words . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
             The drive-by troll gains yet more responses - (Silverlock) - (2)
                 Sorry to subvert your boycott . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     And to amplify on that - (jb4)
         It's bad alright. America is really in trouble. - (jake123)
         How many times? - (pwhysall) - (19)
             Then I must be left wing... -NT - (jbrabeck)
             so the doctors work for free, the buildings get built free - (boxley) - (1)
                 'Free at the point of delivery' means funded by tax -NT - (warmachine)
             The sad thing is that... - (ben_tilly) - (15)
                 Then there's what they *don't* support - (drewk) - (14)
                     I know - (ben_tilly)
                     another question on government run health care - (boxley) - (12)
                         I would like the same treatment that Congress gets - (ben_tilly) - (11)
                             no question about the quality but the quantity sux - (boxley) - (10)
                                 Average wait times in the US are as long -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                     Yeah, but you get cable TV in the room -NT - (pwhysall)
                                 Wait times even longer in US if you have no $$ - (jb4) - (7)
                                     everyone with a torn hangnail goes to the emergency - (boxley) - (6)
                                         Universal, tax funded health care sounds like a good thing. - (Silverlock) - (5)
                                             It really depends on how it's done. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                 Answer to your (rhetorical) question: - (jb4) - (1)
                                                     ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                                 Re: It really depends on how it's done. - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                                     I still think the first step - (Simon_Jester)

People from Iowa are often kinda dumb, but their English isn't that bad, even though they come from Central America.
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