Post #242,452
1/25/06 2:37:06 PM
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Some quotes about Freedom of Speech.
(Lifted from the comments section of David Brin's blog)
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."
--Benjamin Franklin
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Be isolated, be ignored, be attacked, be in doubt, be frightened, but do not be silenced."
--Bertrand Russell
"When the people fear the government you have tyranny... when the government fears the people you have liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
--Abraham Lincoln
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Whenever 'A' attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon 'B', 'A' is most likely a scoundrel."
--H.L. Mencken
"Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."
--Mayor Rudolph Giuliani
"Today American's would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
--Henry Kissinger
"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy, but that could change."
--Dan Quayle
"There ought to be limits on freedom."
--George W. Bush
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
--George W. Bush
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it."
--George W. Bush
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one."
--Adolf Hitler
"I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
--George H. W. Bush
"Oh, how I hate the phrase we have\ufffda 'living document,\ufffd we now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake... We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones. Don't think that it's a one-way street."
--Antonin Scalia
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #242,474
1/25/06 7:14:46 PM
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Great quotes...bone chilling, but great.
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #242,489
1/25/06 8:33:57 PM
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Which ones give you the shivers?
And why? Polemical minds want to know.
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Post #242,538
1/26/06 9:57:58 AM
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Kissinger's
He presages the neocon mindset by 30 years. That's chilling!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #242,542
1/26/06 10:14:09 AM
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Guliani's, total misunderstanding of Blackstone
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Post #242,618
1/26/06 8:50:33 PM
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Hitler's
Sounds so much like the current administration.
Brrrrr!
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #242,681
1/27/06 7:47:14 AM
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The juxtaposition of the mindsets - N. of the North Pole
to S. of the South Pole.
The Neocons have succeeded in nurturing a chasm that is certain to lead to many more buckets of literal and figurative blood.. much of that of Wolfowitzian origin IMO, assisted by the rest of the PNAC pixies.
And still.. no Serious amalgamations for commencing Impeachment.
little-Jesus still has a plurality mesmerized and pants-pissing Afraid.
Murican Gutless Pie 2006
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Post #243,167
2/1/06 6:46:42 PM
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This about Google and China?
We're all bothered about Google and China.
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Post #243,175
2/1/06 8:08:26 PM
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Quagmire much?
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Post #243,181
2/1/06 8:43:10 PM
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well we know you neoconns are
while gleefully trying to shut down sites in the US who are anti imperial america. You can hear the crickets over the exitement of fart barf and itch confiscating newsies hard drives.
thanx,
bill
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Post #243,202
2/1/06 11:08:40 PM
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Google and the Fed is worse.
Now you get in trouble if you don't support failed federal initiatives to enforce religiously based moral values?
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Post #245,821
2/22/06 7:37:31 PM
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Well, I guess I was wrong.
Obviously some people here scarcely care at all about censorship and repression in China. More worried about what happens to the poor kiddie molesters here in the US.
Me, I don't see why anyone would care what happens to kiddie molesters. Let alone care more about them than about non kiddie molesters who just happen to live in China.
Of course, the kiddie diddlers themsleves may be expected to take such a stance. But surely there's some other explanation?
First they came for the pederasts, and I said nothing, because hey, screw them!
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Post #245,869
2/23/06 1:39:38 AM
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Who here has said they're worried about the kiddie fiddlers?
Oh, that's right.
No-one.
Peter
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Post #245,913
2/23/06 10:57:58 AM
2/23/06 10:59:02 AM
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dup. ignore
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Edited by jbrabeck
Feb. 23, 2006, 10:59:02 AM EST
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Post #245,914
2/23/06 10:58:14 AM
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Since Marlowe brought it up
It must me good and right. Nah, more likely he is the kiddie diddler he referenced.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,520
3/1/06 7:27:44 PM
3/1/06 7:41:56 PM
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I beleive imric alluded to them...
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=243202|right here].
It's amazing how you managed to miss it. Sometimes I wonder if you're mentally ill.
Google's ratting out kiddie molesters, and I'm not sad. Or at least, I wouldn't be if they were cooperating. Are they still hiding behind free speech sanctimony? That's getting harder to do, now this China news is out.
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Edited by marlowe
March 1, 2006, 07:41:56 PM EST
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Post #246,534
3/1/06 9:20:06 PM
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Are you on drugs?
Somehow, what was said in the link you provided caused you to think that kiddie diddling was being referenced. You are one sick puppy.
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Post #246,894
3/5/06 6:39:11 PM
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Are you colossally stupid?
Or just very good at faking it?
Of course the main point, which you refuse to see, is that Google does *not* care about privacy. Their actions in China prove this. But COPA has a legitimate purpose. It doesn't inhbit free speech at all. It inhibts porn. Porn is *not* speech.
[link|http://www.copacommission.org/report/statements/hughes.shtml|The subject is COPA]. COPA is about children online being protected from stuff that no responsible parent would suffer them to be exposed to. That includes porn used by sexual predators to lure underage "partners."
In fact, the emphasis all along has been on preventing pederasty.
Excerpt:
The failure to adequately enforce child pornography and obscenity laws has led to a pervasive "anything goes" mentality by online pornographers and sexual predators. Our recommendation for Law Enforcement action is critical to curbing the sexual exploitation of children online. Aggressive prosecution will not only minimize children's direct exposure to online porn and sexual predators, but also decrease the sexual abuse of children by those acting out behavior depicted in pornography.
[link|http://www.protectkids.com/policy/index.htm|Still more]
Excerpt:
The COPA Commission, a congressionally appointed panel, was mandated by the Child Online Protection Act, which was approved by Congress in October 1998. The primary purpose of the Commission is to "identify technological or other methods that will help reduce access by minors to material that is harmful to minors on the Internet."
The Commission released its final report to Congress on Friday, October 20, 2000.
The Report advised Congress that it could take steps to protect children online, by dedicating more resources to the prosecution of Internet obscenity and child pornography.
I say:
Do you how they *make* child pornography?
[link|http://www.fradical.com/Importance_of_COPA.htm|Science says: it gets worse. Porn creates perverts.]
Excerpts:
The prevention of "child porn crimes" leads us directly to the "Child Online Protection Act" (COPA). COPA, scheduled for debate before the US Supreme Court in March, would criminalize commercial Web sites (1) that regularly engage in the business of selling, and (2) then knowingly make available to minors, the kind of pornography that meets the legal standard of obscene or obscene for minors.
The National Law Center for Children and Families wrote the "COPA Brief of Members of Congress." The brief made legal history by unveiling recent data on how pornographic pictures re-form the human brain:
Sophisticated medical diagnostic techniques confirm that images override text for brain dominance and research indicates that a pornographic environment "colonizes" a viewer's brain, producing structural changes in the brain that are involuntary and can last for years...
Until recently most neurologists doubted the affect of media upon the national mind. Naturally we would expect a lag time until legislators and judges also understand a causal connection. The scientifically fraudulent idea that erotic images are harmless speech and children are naturally sexual has led to mass child victimization. An uninformed judiciary has subjected millions of children and youths to toxic images that now dominate their brains, minds, memories and conduct.
The First Amendment was designed to protect words- discourse, not pictures-arousal. Pornographic images neurochemically blitz our brains--overriding legitimate informed consent. Enlightened lawmakers will have to bring our laws up-to-speed with the power of media to shape our brains, minds, memories and our civility. COPA is a beginning.
I say:
Won't someone please think of the pervs?
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Post #246,900
3/5/06 6:54:27 PM
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I fail to understand something...
certainly the justification that has been used is COPA.
But I fail to see how getting every single type in query (by everyone) over a week is going to help with Child Porn? Furthermore I don't see how a random sampling of 1 million web pages is going to help with Child Porn either.
Finally I don't see why Google is being required to do the Justice Dept's research. (Guys, if you want it, sit down and start typing.)
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903331_2.html|Background]
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Post #246,904
3/5/06 7:15:18 PM
3/5/06 7:16:27 PM
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Suuuure it is.
Marlowe, the 'emphasis on pederasty' is just another way of justifying censorship of all types by saying "The children! My God, who will protect the children'.
How about the adults? How about the parents? Frigging parents just let kids go online without supervision, but that's pornography's fault? And because there are sickos out there, the government must increase (again) to take more control over communications?
Letting kids wander the 'net without supervision is like letting them wander, say, NYC without supervision. It's stupid and negligent. Of course, the 'answer' to THAT problem is to monitor the movements of EVERYBODY, and to require records to be kept of adults that go to places not on the 'approved' list, right? (Your papers, please)
The neocon junta is all about making moral choices for the people. The justice department in particular are ultra-prudes. Tell me, is the breast on the statue of Justice still covered? The ONLY way that could have been considered to be 'dirty' would be if Ashcroft was lusting after it, after all (the sicko). The government can't even make legitimate judgements about genuine works of art; these are the people that are to regulate access to legitamate adult entertainment?
Finally, you seem to be all for the government being able to FORCE a third-party entity to actively support their efforts to revive a bill already killed by the courts - remember that there are no charges, and no criminal case involved here - just members of the executive branch that want to revive laws already rejected because of their limitation of legitimate free speech.
I'm not surprised you support absolute power for the executive branch though.
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Edited by imric
March 5, 2006, 07:16:27 PM EST
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Post #246,946
3/6/06 1:00:13 AM
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How is porn not speech?
Porn is legal, remember.
Peter
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Post #246,955
3/6/06 2:36:43 AM
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You may be.
Whether you like it or not. Freedom has good sides and bad sides. You cannot restrict access to something simply because you don't like it. Nor can you do it under a mantra of "protecting the cheeldrun".
Google is doing the absolute correct thing. They are refusing to infringe the rights of the users by caving to a fishing expedition. You should be more worried about the search engines that DID cave so easily. Who will they cave on next..and will that cave maybe include IP addresses or some identifying information?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #246,967
3/6/06 7:53:00 AM
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so the communist nanny state is upon us?
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Post #246,973
3/6/06 8:26:00 AM
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He wishes.
Thoughtcrime doubleplusungood.
Peter
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Post #247,047
3/6/06 11:22:16 PM
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I read the link you provided again
The fact that you see kiddie diddling in that says more about you than I care to know.
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Post #246,561
3/2/06 3:24:54 AM
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Miss what, precisely?
Peter
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Post #246,574
3/2/06 10:25:55 AM
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Freud would have a field day with you.
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Post #246,583
3/2/06 11:57:18 AM
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Freud would throw up his hands in disgust
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #246,591
3/2/06 1:53:02 PM
3/2/06 1:53:43 PM
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Freud ate hands?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
March 2, 2006, 01:53:43 PM EST
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Post #246,519
3/1/06 7:22:25 PM
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Well, is it about the Democrats in Minnesota?
[link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013200.php|If you can't rebut, try silencing your opponent]
Excerpt:
This past Thursday Melendez called a press conference and condemned the first of the two advertisements -- the one featuring the veterans -- as "un-American, untruthful and a lie."
The two advertisements can be viewed [link|http://www.midwestheroes.com/docs/video/|here]. The first of the two ads is devoted to the Iraq war veterans; the second to the Gold Star Families, featuring Merrilee Carlson of St. Paul. Mrs. Carlson's son Michael was killed in Iraq last year; the Wall Street Journal published Michael's [link|http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006753|"credo"] this past Memorial Day.
In Minnesota the mask has fallen from the Democratic Party. It has condemned the message of Lt. Col. Bob Stephenson and the other veterans supporting the mission in Iraq as "un-American." Yet it has gone beyond its outrageous condemnation of the ads. It has actually sought to suppress the message of the featured war veterans and Gold Star Families, [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013163.php#013163|emailing Party members] and urging them to contact television stations demanding "the removal of the ads."
What do Democrats elsewhere think of their Party's campaign condemning the servicemen and Gold Star Families in the ads as "un-American"? Does Brian Melendez speak for them?
Minneapolis Star Tribune columnist Nick Coleman has now devoted two hysterical columns to condemnations of the advertisements. Coleman's [link|http://www.startribune.com/357/story/240370.html|first column] made a basic error of fact as a result of its reliance on a far-left Web site and cited the testimony of a Kerry delegate to the 2004 Democratic convention as [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013179.php#013179|a "nonpartisan" source]. (John fisked the column [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013127.php#013127|here].)
Coleman's [link|http://www.startribune.com/357/story/252923.html|second column] fastened on "the Delores Kesterson issue" -- attacking the Gold Star Families ad for presenting the stepmother of Erik Kesterson in lieu of his mother. For this bizarre point Coleman relied without attribution on his friend [link|http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/17/92648/2272|"Hesiod"]at Daily Kos. Coleman overlooked fellow St. Paulite Merilee Carlson -- the genuine biological mother of Michael Carlson -- in this rant.
Lt. Col. Stephenson is the co-chair of Minnesota Families United for Our Troops and Their Mission. Col. Stephenson is featured in the first of the two advertisements in issue. On Saturday John interviewed Col. Stephenson on the Northern Alliance Radio Network. You can listen to the interview [link|http://powerlineblog.com/podcasts/NA218Stephenson.mp3|here].
The Democratic Party has officially pronounced that Col. Stephenson and his ads are "un-American." That such a thing could happen is almost beyond belief -- a Marine officer with more than ten years of active duty labeled "un-American" for supporting America's foreign policy -- but it is nevertheless true. And attention must be paid.
I say:
Un-American, you say?
A long, long time ago, McCarthyism was the province of the Right. A long, long, loooooong time ago.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/politics.american.html#20060228|Angelfire link] (turn off Javascript to avoid popups)
[link|http://fnmarlowe.blogspot.com/2006/02/mccarthysim-and-censorship-in.html|Comment at blogger.com]
[link|http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/what-we-need-prescription-for-our.html|What We Need - a prescription for our times]
[link|http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/where-i-stand-proverbs-and-axioms-for.html|Where I Stand - Proverbs and axioms for the real world]
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Post #246,535
3/1/06 9:21:20 PM
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Get a life.
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Post #246,539
3/1/06 10:09:09 PM
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Now you're in my home court
Minnesota. I didn't read Coleman's columns. I regret that he called them unAmerican. However, the first ad sucked. It looked and sounded like a swift boat campaign. Watch the Strib, see if I get published in the letters. If my letter doesn't get published in a couple of days, I'll come back and post it here.
The second ad was moms/family who lost a son/daughter. The all want to believe their children died trying to make a difference. Again, I've addressed that in my letter.
Stay tuned. (I don't have the letter here at home or I'd post it now)
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Post #246,592
3/2/06 2:03:23 PM
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Here's how I replied
I'd like to respond to Joe Repya's letter printed on the 27th. Let me start off by saying that I am a retired Army MSG. I was in Joe's unit when he was an instructor assigned to the 5042d USAR School at Ft. Snelling. I was there when he volunteered for active duty during Desert Storm. I respect his commitment to military duty.
But I disagree with him on Midwest Heroes ad. I fully support our troops, I was one. However, that does not mean I have to blindly believe what the current regime says and does, nor does it mean that I must accept the incorrect assumptions portrayed in this ad.
Al-Qaida was responsible for 9/11. We attacked Al-Qaida in Afghanistan, where it is based, to retaliate for 9/11. However, watching the ad, one is left with the feeling that Al-Qaida was based in Iraq and that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Al-Qaida came into Iraq after our invasion, specifically to harass our troops.
The ad further states that we are improving road, schools, hospitals, utilities, and others. Yes we are, but are we not really just trying to get the standard of living back to where it was prior to our attack? Did the Iraqis not have functioning hospitals, schools, utilities, and roads while Saddam ruled? The Iraqi infrastructure was destroyed by our invasion and the Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are merely returning it back to pre-invasion days.
The ad also implies that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was a vicious tyrannt. I will admit that Saddam may not have been the best of leaders. However, there are may countries around the world with equally bad leaders, ones that allow torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners, and ignore or abuse human rights. Are we planning on removing all those leaders also? Are we justified attacking a sovereign nation when we do not approve of the leaders?
In short, the ad is a thinly veiled attempt to justify keeping our troops in harms way, fighting in a country we had no right to invade.
While I firmly support our troops, I do not support our regime's decision to place our troops in harm's way, nor their continued reluctance to bring them home. If you support out troops, ask the regime to define a specific mission, not some nebulous "war on terror", achieve that stated mission, and withdraw the troops.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,595
3/2/06 2:15:52 PM
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I resemble that remark!
However, there are may countries around the world with equally bad leaders, ones that allow torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners, and ignore or abuse human rights. Are we planning on removing all those leaders also? Are we justified attacking a sovereign nation when we do not approve of the leaders? Hey, I live in just such a country. And I for one would relish "removal" of the so-called "leaders" that turned our country, the envy of the world up to that point, into just another banana republic. To quote that same "leader": Bring it on! jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #246,599
3/2/06 3:14:54 PM
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I was hoping for the mirror effect. Thanks for confirming.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,611
3/2/06 8:12:59 PM
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Well said.
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Post #246,733
3/3/06 9:45:01 PM
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Very nice, Joe!
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #246,540
3/1/06 10:10:54 PM
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out of the mouths of boobs comes
"A long, long time ago, McCarthyism was the province of the Right. A long, long, loooooong time ago."
He's right, you know. Now it's not a mere province—it's the whole damned thing; it's the governing philosophy of Rightreich.
Back in your hole, philbot. Talk to us again in three to five weeks when torturing and killing stray pets doesn't muffle the voices anymore. We're here to help you.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #246,542
3/1/06 10:41:54 PM
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ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #246541 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=246541|ICLRPD.]
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Post #246,895
3/5/06 6:43:21 PM
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Oh, was that your poodle?
Don't worry. I replaced the parts I couldn't find with parts from other animals.
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Post #246,971
3/6/06 8:25:03 AM
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That makes about as much sense
as listening to Shrub explain anything. Lips move, lies come out. Nothing of any value is said.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,571
3/2/06 9:26:34 AM
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Damnit...I knew the Democratic party would mess this up...
Un-American, you say? It's NOT Un-American. That McCarthyism, pure and simple. Damnit! We needed to say that they were Traitors and Enemies of the US. And aligned with Terrorists. And that they hated America so much. And that they were evil-mutie-commie-traitors and didn't proudly serve the Computer! (*) (*) Sorry, ol' Paranoia days come back to life. Just call me 1-Clone-Charlie.
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