Post #246,519
3/1/06 7:22:25 PM
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Well, is it about the Democrats in Minnesota?
[link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013200.php|If you can't rebut, try silencing your opponent]
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This past Thursday Melendez called a press conference and condemned the first of the two advertisements -- the one featuring the veterans -- as "un-American, untruthful and a lie."
The two advertisements can be viewed [link|http://www.midwestheroes.com/docs/video/|here]. The first of the two ads is devoted to the Iraq war veterans; the second to the Gold Star Families, featuring Merrilee Carlson of St. Paul. Mrs. Carlson's son Michael was killed in Iraq last year; the Wall Street Journal published Michael's [link|http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006753|"credo"] this past Memorial Day.
In Minnesota the mask has fallen from the Democratic Party. It has condemned the message of Lt. Col. Bob Stephenson and the other veterans supporting the mission in Iraq as "un-American." Yet it has gone beyond its outrageous condemnation of the ads. It has actually sought to suppress the message of the featured war veterans and Gold Star Families, [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013163.php#013163|emailing Party members] and urging them to contact television stations demanding "the removal of the ads."
What do Democrats elsewhere think of their Party's campaign condemning the servicemen and Gold Star Families in the ads as "un-American"? Does Brian Melendez speak for them?
Minneapolis Star Tribune columnist Nick Coleman has now devoted two hysterical columns to condemnations of the advertisements. Coleman's [link|http://www.startribune.com/357/story/240370.html|first column] made a basic error of fact as a result of its reliance on a far-left Web site and cited the testimony of a Kerry delegate to the 2004 Democratic convention as [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013179.php#013179|a "nonpartisan" source]. (John fisked the column [link|http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013127.php#013127|here].)
Coleman's [link|http://www.startribune.com/357/story/252923.html|second column] fastened on "the Delores Kesterson issue" -- attacking the Gold Star Families ad for presenting the stepmother of Erik Kesterson in lieu of his mother. For this bizarre point Coleman relied without attribution on his friend [link|http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/17/92648/2272|"Hesiod"]at Daily Kos. Coleman overlooked fellow St. Paulite Merilee Carlson -- the genuine biological mother of Michael Carlson -- in this rant.
Lt. Col. Stephenson is the co-chair of Minnesota Families United for Our Troops and Their Mission. Col. Stephenson is featured in the first of the two advertisements in issue. On Saturday John interviewed Col. Stephenson on the Northern Alliance Radio Network. You can listen to the interview [link|http://powerlineblog.com/podcasts/NA218Stephenson.mp3|here].
The Democratic Party has officially pronounced that Col. Stephenson and his ads are "un-American." That such a thing could happen is almost beyond belief -- a Marine officer with more than ten years of active duty labeled "un-American" for supporting America's foreign policy -- but it is nevertheless true. And attention must be paid.
I say:
Un-American, you say?
A long, long time ago, McCarthyism was the province of the Right. A long, long, loooooong time ago.
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Post #246,535
3/1/06 9:21:20 PM
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Get a life.
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Post #246,539
3/1/06 10:09:09 PM
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Now you're in my home court
Minnesota. I didn't read Coleman's columns. I regret that he called them unAmerican. However, the first ad sucked. It looked and sounded like a swift boat campaign. Watch the Strib, see if I get published in the letters. If my letter doesn't get published in a couple of days, I'll come back and post it here.
The second ad was moms/family who lost a son/daughter. The all want to believe their children died trying to make a difference. Again, I've addressed that in my letter.
Stay tuned. (I don't have the letter here at home or I'd post it now)
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,592
3/2/06 2:03:23 PM
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Here's how I replied
I'd like to respond to Joe Repya's letter printed on the 27th. Let me start off by saying that I am a retired Army MSG. I was in Joe's unit when he was an instructor assigned to the 5042d USAR School at Ft. Snelling. I was there when he volunteered for active duty during Desert Storm. I respect his commitment to military duty.
But I disagree with him on Midwest Heroes ad. I fully support our troops, I was one. However, that does not mean I have to blindly believe what the current regime says and does, nor does it mean that I must accept the incorrect assumptions portrayed in this ad.
Al-Qaida was responsible for 9/11. We attacked Al-Qaida in Afghanistan, where it is based, to retaliate for 9/11. However, watching the ad, one is left with the feeling that Al-Qaida was based in Iraq and that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Al-Qaida came into Iraq after our invasion, specifically to harass our troops.
The ad further states that we are improving road, schools, hospitals, utilities, and others. Yes we are, but are we not really just trying to get the standard of living back to where it was prior to our attack? Did the Iraqis not have functioning hospitals, schools, utilities, and roads while Saddam ruled? The Iraqi infrastructure was destroyed by our invasion and the Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are merely returning it back to pre-invasion days.
The ad also implies that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was a vicious tyrannt. I will admit that Saddam may not have been the best of leaders. However, there are may countries around the world with equally bad leaders, ones that allow torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners, and ignore or abuse human rights. Are we planning on removing all those leaders also? Are we justified attacking a sovereign nation when we do not approve of the leaders?
In short, the ad is a thinly veiled attempt to justify keeping our troops in harms way, fighting in a country we had no right to invade.
While I firmly support our troops, I do not support our regime's decision to place our troops in harm's way, nor their continued reluctance to bring them home. If you support out troops, ask the regime to define a specific mission, not some nebulous "war on terror", achieve that stated mission, and withdraw the troops.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,595
3/2/06 2:15:52 PM
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I resemble that remark!
However, there are may countries around the world with equally bad leaders, ones that allow torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners, and ignore or abuse human rights. Are we planning on removing all those leaders also? Are we justified attacking a sovereign nation when we do not approve of the leaders? Hey, I live in just such a country. And I for one would relish "removal" of the so-called "leaders" that turned our country, the envy of the world up to that point, into just another banana republic. To quote that same "leader": Bring it on! jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #246,599
3/2/06 3:14:54 PM
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I was hoping for the mirror effect. Thanks for confirming.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,611
3/2/06 8:12:59 PM
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Well said.
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Post #246,733
3/3/06 9:45:01 PM
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Very nice, Joe!
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #246,540
3/1/06 10:10:54 PM
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out of the mouths of boobs comes
"A long, long time ago, McCarthyism was the province of the Right. A long, long, loooooong time ago."
He's right, you know. Now it's not a mere province—it's the whole damned thing; it's the governing philosophy of Rightreich.
Back in your hole, philbot. Talk to us again in three to five weeks when torturing and killing stray pets doesn't muffle the voices anymore. We're here to help you.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #246,542
3/1/06 10:41:54 PM
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ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #246541 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=246541|ICLRPD.]
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Post #246,895
3/5/06 6:43:21 PM
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Oh, was that your poodle?
Don't worry. I replaced the parts I couldn't find with parts from other animals.
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4 out of 5 Iraqis choose democracy!
If you don't like my posts, don't click on them.
Never mind the AP. Here's the real Iraq reporting: [link|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/]
"The period of debate is closed. Arms, as the last resort, decide the contest." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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Post #246,971
3/6/06 8:25:03 AM
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That makes about as much sense
as listening to Shrub explain anything. Lips move, lies come out. Nothing of any value is said.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #246,571
3/2/06 9:26:34 AM
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Damnit...I knew the Democratic party would mess this up...
Un-American, you say? It's NOT Un-American. That McCarthyism, pure and simple. Damnit! We needed to say that they were Traitors and Enemies of the US. And aligned with Terrorists. And that they hated America so much. And that they were evil-mutie-commie-traitors and didn't proudly serve the Computer! (*) (*) Sorry, ol' Paranoia days come back to life. Just call me 1-Clone-Charlie.
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