Post #239,626
12/27/05 10:33:53 PM
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Vagueries of English - try again - cultural profiling
Isn't this profiling based on broad behaviour that is not criminal? The word 'profiling' means based on criminal behaviour. As racial profiling does not mean based on non-criminal behaviour in American, let us invent a new word to avoid confusion - cultural profiling.
Cultural profiling is bad 'cos lots of innocent members of this culture are hassled. Although, in this case, very few false positives will happen, methods such as wiretapping will result in this. Surely it is better to scan areas used by known, terrorist operatives with known nuclear ambitions, not simply mosques?
Matthew Greet
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Post #239,692
12/28/05 12:22:22 PM
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I know how echelon works
it streams all calls outside CONUS for "deemed useful" words, I believe they have turned it on inside CONUS in th same fashion which means everyones communications are scrutinized electronically.
Some receive more scrutiny than others.
I find it interesting that you dont like this, living in a country that did that much and more in Ireland
thanx,
bill
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Post #239,704
12/28/05 1:56:01 PM
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You're conflating people and government again, Bill. Desist.
I find it interesting that you dont like this, living in a country that did that much and more in Ireland This sentence makes an unacceptable and unfounded assumption about Matt's political position with respect to the events in Ireland (which, incidentally, were done and dusted before anyone posting here was born). By the same logic, you are in complete agreement with your government and its historic actions at all times, as you demonstrably still live there. I take it you didn't read my post at [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=239309|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=239309]
Peter
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Post #239,718
12/28/05 5:04:21 PM
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is the british army still in Ireland?
I dont remember reading about the pullout of the occupation troops.
thanx,
bill
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Post #239,719
12/28/05 5:08:10 PM
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I don't remember Peter supporting them either.
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Post #239,720
12/28/05 5:11:52 PM
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The occupying settlers still want them there
Northern Ireland did not join the rest because a majority of the locals were Protestants who were descended from English people who moved there. And those locals prefer to be part of England.
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Ben
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Post #239,721
12/28/05 5:12:25 PM
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s/England/The UK/
Your point stands, though.
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Post #239,725
12/28/05 5:28:26 PM
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Oops, you're right
I'd thought that those settlers came from England specifically, but google tells me that many came from Scotland as well.
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Ben
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Post #239,727
12/28/05 5:31:20 PM
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Hence "Unionists"
Peter
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Post #239,722
12/28/05 5:13:33 PM
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No.
They're in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.
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Post #239,733
12/28/05 6:10:11 PM
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Oh, just garrison sojers?
[link|http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/deaths2005draft.htm|http://cain.ulst.ac....aths2005draft.htm]
uh huh
thanx,
bill
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Post #239,734
12/28/05 6:17:49 PM
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You're now officially out of your depth.
The UVF and UDA are paramilitary terrorist organisations.
Peter
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Post #239,736
12/28/05 6:41:21 PM
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you man like Fatah and Al Aska Martyr Brigades?
[link|http://www.scottishloyalists.com/paramilitaries/uda.htm|http://www.scottishl...ilitaries/uda.htm] During the Stevens inquiry it became apparent that the UDA had access to a large number of security files on Republicans and suspected members of Republican paramilitary groups. looks like a wink and nod situation there. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #239,738
12/28/05 6:44:58 PM
12/28/05 6:45:41 PM
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Practically on the payroll.
If that's what you want to believe.
Of course, you've got to conquer your own demons of being a supporter of segregation. internment, imprisonment without trial, secret military tribunals, unfettered wiretapping without a warrant, and extra-judicial executions first; after all, your government did it therefore you support it.
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Dec. 28, 2005, 06:45:41 PM EST
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Post #239,741
12/28/05 6:53:49 PM
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:-)
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Post #239,748
12/28/05 8:20:46 PM
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That is not discussing cultural profiling
Keyword scanning of the entire telephone system does not target any specific groups and is not cultural profiling. If known suspects are better scanned, then that's criminal profiling. No subculture is going to feel besieged by the wiretapping you described.
Matthew Greet
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Post #239,751
12/28/05 8:39:15 PM
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well, thats how echelon works
and they can tune it to grab all conversations from a single target if needed. If the NSA is doing it as claimed, thats how.
thanx,
bill
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