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New It really depends, in my view.
What was the reason for driving by and sampling these particular sites? Was there anything at all to indicate that there might be a threat from any of the people there? If not, I don't think they should have done the monitoring there.

If it was a fishing expedition, then they should fish everywhere. Don't just fish where Muslims (or [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=238824|critics of the Iraq war]) are.

I think of this as being similar to a "sobriety checkpoint". All traffic is stopped and drivers are checked to see if they're impaired. Around here, they're in random areas. If they were only set up outside of mosques, or only checked young men with dark brown hair, I would be very concerned...

If the purpose of the monitoring was to legitimately check out other information, or maybe to get "baseline" information for subsequent investigation if necessary, then that may be fine. If it's just - "Well the last guys were Sunni Muslims who claimed to be religious, therefore we've got to keep an eye on all religious Sunni Muslims" - then it's crap and should be stopped. We should have at least learned from the [link|http://www.lib.utah.edu/spc/photo/9066/9066.htm|WWII internment camps] that singling people out because of their ethnicity or religion is unamerican.

Even if they had legitimate reasons for wanting the information, their apparent tactic of sometimes driving up in a driveway and sampling without a search warrant seems to me to be unreasonable searching. They should have requested a court order for a warrant.

If this story is true, it seems to be yet another example of the executive branch attempting to take on an unchecked power. That's not good.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I'd agree with that.
Localized fishing is wrong. If they are sweeping the city, then fine. If there are rumors about dirty bombs, then by all means sweep the city looking for excess radiation. If they are targeting specific people, then present evidence and get a warrant.
I would be very unhappy about targeting stereotypes, becasue that would make it a lot easier for whackadoos to use a nice blonde, blue eyed girl to make things go away in a flash. At the same time there is no profit in ignoring middle eastern males between 18 and 40 just because it's not PC. There's got to be a balance somewhere.
     Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? - (pwhysall) - (65)
         I wonder if Nazism is taught in US history classes? -NT - (warmachine)
         well if it was brits threatening to use nukes here - (boxley)
         Not really unreasonable. - (hnick) - (27)
             Re: Not really unreasonable. - (pwhysall) - (24)
                 CCTV on every corner, thats reasonable? but a driveby rad - (boxley) - (1)
                     That's not an argument. - (pwhysall)
                 I believe you're wrong,. - (hnick) - (21)
                     Well, if you have nothing to hide... - (pwhysall) - (17)
                         hee hee - (hnick) - (15)
                             To clarify - (pwhysall) - (14)
                                 Nit: All "radiation" isn't alike. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                     I consider myself hejumacated, thanks - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                         Could be. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                             Re: Could be. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                 Few cooks, many busboys - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                     I think that's a dangerous assumption... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                                                         Infinite supply of stupid people - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                             You mean, in Kansas? -NT - (jb4)
                                                         popoular example, palestinians - (boxley)
                                 I would bet that... - (ben_tilly)
                                 It's not "harrasment" - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     Slippery slopes are, so, well, slippery, aren't they? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                         We're all on that slope together - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall)
                         Jawohl Mein F\ufffdhrer! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                     I dunno - (jb4) - (2)
                         No, just means you have something you shouldn't have - (drewk) - (1)
                             {chortle} -NT - (Ashton)
             It really depends, in my view. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 I'd agree with that. - (hnick)
         I don't think its silly or excessive, all things considered - (Ashton) - (9)
             I agree with you, Ashton - (imqwerky)
             Understood. You present a good case. But... - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 you are seriously confused - (boxley) - (2)
                     Fair enough. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Box is right... - (Simon_Jester)
                 Let's not get lost in triage of 'threats' here - - (Ashton)
             It's both, and here's why I think so. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 If you'll note - - - (Ashton)
                 Uhh, Peter... - (jb4)
         Isn't this racial profiling? - (warmachine) - (7)
             If they stop at just mosques: yes. - (Ashton) - (4)
                 Have you read the story? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                     Re: Have you read the story? - (Ashton) - (1)
                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk)
                     death to america, death to jews jihad jihad now time for tea - (boxley)
             is it racial profiling to check for unlicenced cars - (boxley)
             There are several Muslims at our school - (imqwerky)
         Vagueries of English - try again - cultural profiling - (warmachine) - (16)
             I know how echelon works - (boxley) - (15)
                 You're conflating people and government again, Bill. Desist. - (pwhysall) - (12)
                     is the british army still in Ireland? - (boxley) - (11)
                         I don't remember Peter supporting them either. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                         The occupying settlers still want them there - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                             s/England/The UK/ - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 Oops, you're right - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                     Hence "Unionists" -NT - (pwhysall)
                         No. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                             Oh, just garrison sojers? - (boxley) - (4)
                                 You're now officially out of your depth. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     you man like Fatah and Al Aska Martyr Brigades? - (boxley) - (2)
                                         Practically on the payroll. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             :-) -NT - (boxley)
                 That is not discussing cultural profiling - (warmachine) - (1)
                     well, thats how echelon works - (boxley)

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