Post #237,416
12/8/05 10:07:04 PM
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Clothes make the man (or sumpin' like that...)
Actually, when I was a consultant, I always wore at least a tie. It is really surprising what that single acoutrement will do for your status and credibility, esp. with those who don't really know you very well. Just make sure the collar of the shirt fits right (nothing says "Geek!" louder than a shirt whose collar is the wrong size). Do not use a clip on! And leave the top button buttoned (one of the reasons for a properly fitting collar!).
And good luck, and have fun!
jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #237,422
12/8/05 10:11:44 PM
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And make sure you have Chapstick! :)
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #237,667
12/11/05 7:44:05 PM
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I've decided to go half way on that.
I've got this amazing sports jacket. I have never worn it before. It was my father's. When I visited my stepmother a short while after his death, we were going though his closet, determining which clothes to give away, which to trash, etc.
This jacket is tan/cream colored leather. Not shiny, I guess it is suede. Very light.
I mentioned how pretty it was, and I'd like to have it. She was very happy that someone would get some use out of it. I suspect she bought it for him, but he was a bit too conservative to wear it. He probably did, for her, but grudgingly.
With my recent weight loss, it fits me perfectly.
I figure it will be a decent ice breaker if anyone notices it.
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Post #237,905
12/13/05 1:59:15 PM
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Sounds good.
Now choose an appropraite tie, and learn to make a full Windsor. (Hint: make sure there is a dimple in the tie under the knot. Indicates class.)
jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #237,907
12/13/05 2:03:21 PM
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does the dimple go in front of the clips?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,009
12/14/05 11:56:43 AM
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Clips?!? How '90s!
But, for the Retro fans amoung(st) us, yes...
jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #237,913
12/13/05 2:42:15 PM
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Lost it for a short while
Had a major brain fart when getting dressed. I simply could not see the jacket. I saw it the night before. It is enclosed in a purple zippered plastic warp. It is hanging in my closet. But about an hour before I went to bed, I tried on a few suits. I can now wear 2 that I couldn't 3 years ago. And I ended pushing stuff around on the hangers. Which squished the suits up against it.
So the next morning, in my rush, I was unable to see the jacket.
I was a bit freaked, thinking I must have taken it downstairs, and put it in the closet to prep, but it wasn't there.
The next step would be to start blaming family members, which would definitely cross into insane, so I simply held off.
I have a multi-color silk sports jacket. Matches everything and nothing, it light enough to wear at anytime, and cuts the wind a bit. I ended up wearing that.
I also have a pair of glasses that I use for distance. If I wear them when not watching a movie or driving at night, it is strictly for effect. Worked well.
Had a very good meeting.
At the end, the guy leading it (salesguy) said something I did not agree with, which was perfect since the guy really in-charge was pushing for something I wanted. Which allowed me to vocalize my opinion, supported well, and pushed us in a direction I wanted to go in.
As prep for the next step, we need to decide who was going to meet with the client. This is good for the project, and good for my career, but I don't want to seem pushy when people are "volunteering" to go. Especially since this is a very high level group of people, and I'm not management. As I stated why it was probably a good idea for me to go, multiple people cut me short and said "Of course you are going".
That settled that.
So then a mid-level manager stated he should go. He's new to that depeartment, he used to be in mine.
Why?
To look over my shoulder. That was the best he could come up with.
Hehehehehe.
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Post #237,934
12/13/05 5:14:37 PM
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heh, that isnt your shoulder
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #238,010
12/14/05 12:00:13 PM
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Schaaa-WING!
Good luck on the visit, Barry! I hope you get to smack that sanctimonous b-school refugee down...in a good way that makes you look brilliant, and makes him look the fool.
jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #238,083
12/14/05 9:12:29 PM
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Nah, would never destroy him
He's a nice guy and somewhat useful. Windows moron, but hey, you can't have everything.
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Post #238,096
12/14/05 10:00:25 PM
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nivor burn bridges, only concepts
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #238,102
12/14/05 10:49:54 PM
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Good luck!
Sorry I'm late in offering it.
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
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Post #238,084
12/14/05 9:14:54 PM
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Heh.. learned that in mili'try school
(And I always thought that a "half-Windsor" resembled what a posse-in-a-hurry tied - to speed the end of a captured Sinner, when ol' Noose-tier Ned was AWOL.)
Now I can't say that the 'dimple' part resonates (while we're discussing rilly Important stuff.) Do you mean that, the ~flat outer surface of the er vee-shaped 'knot-covering' should be drawn just tight enough that it isn't perfectly smooth? / has a teeny wrinkle?
(Which sounds like ~ "See? he ties it every. morning. and, gets it juust-Right: What A Leader of Men!")
Gawd, the fragility of homo-sap $-mating rituals; no surprise how little actual thought happens in the bizness enviro.. get a drop of sweat-from-brow - - on your Armani?! :-0
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Post #238,091
12/14/05 9:33:53 PM
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I think you're thinking of the four-in-hand
According to [link|http://michael.toren.net/mirrors/tie/|this] I use the half Windsor. The full (or double) Windsor is only for spread-collar shirts, which I don't have any of. The four-in-hand is the lazy, crappy one.
And [link|http://www.boardroomties.com/tiedimple.html|this] is the dimple. Do a Windsor -- full or half -- without it and the top of the tie looks like a candy-cane.
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Post #238,092
12/14/05 9:39:31 PM
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I had to teach Critter how to tie a tie
and it's probably the crappy way, which is the way my dad used to tie his ties.
Amazing that C-man went 13 years of Catholic schools without ever learning the skill. Guess that is a skill in and of itself!
Peace, Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #238,094
12/14/05 9:47:42 PM
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7 years in Catholic school, crappy all the way
Learned the half Windsor in the Marines.
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