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by jb4
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11/30/05 11:09:29 PM
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New Not exactly the first thing...
The first thing Nixon did was to invade Cambodia (no...waiddaminnit, there was no invasion...Cambodia was "incurred"...but I digress).

Then, after he took an immense political beating by the press and anybody to the left of Ghengis Khan, then he decreased troop levels and started a slow process of disengagement.
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Post #236,709
by ben_tilly
12/1/05 2:09:13 AM
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New Your recollection is wrong
Timetable of troop withdrawals: [link|http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change%20Course/Change-Vietout.html|http://faculty.smu.e...ange-Vietout.html]

According to [link|http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change-Viet4.html|http://faculty.smu.e...Change-Viet4.html], his Cambodia invasion was announced on April 30, 1970, at which point 115,500 troops had already been withdrawn (over 20% of the troops that were there when he came into office), and plans had been announced to withdraw another 150,000 troops over the following year.

My comment stands. There is every reason to believe that Nixon fully intended to disengage from the start, and his policies aimed at doing so while achieving his other strategic goals.

Cheers,
Ben
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         Re: YAN Republican Criminal. - (Yendor) - (57) - Nov. 28, 2005, 04:52:45 PM EST
             Define the set ALL... - (jb4) - (54) - Nov. 28, 2005, 04:55:59 PM EST
                 what make you think the democrats have changed? Rosti /etc -NT - (boxley) - (53) - Nov. 28, 2005, 05:10:26 PM EST
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                                 Take it with a grain of salt.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2005, 01:19:36 PM EST
                                     I guess he doesn't remember his Shakespeare. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2005, 01:39:38 PM EST
                                     was refering to gore on whitehouse lawn -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 29, 2005, 02:23:43 PM EST
                         To me, the problem is how much power is concentrated - (ben_tilly) - (46) - Nov. 29, 2005, 11:51:34 AM EST
                             Disagree. - (mmoffitt) - (44) - Nov. 29, 2005, 01:10:14 PM EST
                                 Richard Daley? Dan Rostenkowski? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (43) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:24:39 PM EST
                                     Think any of those are as bad as Nixon? McCarthy? - (mmoffitt) - (42) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:25:21 PM EST
                                         Than Nixon? Easily. - (ben_tilly) - (41) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:38:05 PM EST
                                             Think again. - (mmoffitt) - (40) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:16:24 PM EST
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                                                     I don't remeber Hizzoner doing any lynching, do you? - (jb4) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:42:17 PM EST
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                                                             I don't remember ever hearing of Hizzoner being KKK... - (jb4) - (2) - Dec. 1, 2005, 05:04:41 PM EST
                                                                 Boxley is thinking of Robert Byrd, I think -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 1, 2005, 06:55:45 PM EST
                                                                     Among others, I bet. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Dec. 2, 2005, 10:01:47 AM EST
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                                                     According to a survey of high school students ... - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:21:21 PM EST
                                                         Gah -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:22:25 PM EST
                                                     Not exactly the first thing... - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 11:09:29 PM EST
                                                         Your recollection is wrong - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 1, 2005, 02:09:13 AM EST
                                                     Forgetting Cambodia? - (Ashton) - (4) - Dec. 1, 2005, 05:37:10 AM EST
                                                         right,jfk wanting to assasinate castro, like shrub vs chavez - (boxley) - Dec. 1, 2005, 08:52:07 AM EST
                                                         I didn't forget. - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 1, 2005, 12:29:03 PM EST
                                                             Careful, Ben! - (imric) - (1) - Dec. 1, 2005, 01:16:10 PM EST
                                                                 Don't I know it -NT - (bepatient) - Dec. 1, 2005, 02:45:17 PM EST
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                                                             Re: My thought process - (Ashton) - (8) - Dec. 1, 2005, 09:28:10 PM EST
                                                                 So words are more important than actions? - (drewk) - (7) - Dec. 2, 2005, 09:55:25 AM EST
                                                                     That's a key question, isn't it? -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Dec. 2, 2005, 10:01:14 AM EST
                                                                     "The Play's the thing wherein.." - (Ashton) - (5) - Dec. 3, 2005, 06:03:01 AM EST
                                                                         So you agree: Nixon good, JFK bad? -NT - (drewk) - (4) - Dec. 3, 2005, 10:51:38 AM EST
                                                                             Only for those who - (Ashton) - (3) - Dec. 4, 2005, 06:21:08 AM EST
                                                                                 Damn, was I too transparent? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Dec. 4, 2005, 02:14:12 PM EST
                                                                                     well if you insist :-) - (boxley) - Dec. 4, 2005, 02:18:31 PM EST
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                                                             Mike Mikula cartoon - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Dec. 2, 2005, 11:36:22 AM EST
                                                                 How about Caligula, to get us in? - (Ashton) - Dec. 4, 2005, 06:40:08 AM EST
                                                             And again, that has nothing to do with what I said. - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Dec. 5, 2005, 09:00:05 AM EST
                                                                 Whose view of illegality? - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Dec. 5, 2005, 07:30:34 PM EST
                                                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - Dec. 5, 2005, 07:35:03 PM EST
                                                                     Justice William Douglas count? - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Dec. 6, 2005, 10:07:31 AM EST
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                                                                                 And so we degenerate further - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Dec. 7, 2005, 01:38:47 PM EST
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                                                                                             I was thinking the same thing. Ironic, isn't it? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Dec. 12, 2005, 12:48:48 PM EST
                             I was thinking he couldn't have done all that since 2001. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2005, 03:38:19 PM EST
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No, not really.
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