Post #234,898
11/18/05 2:58:55 PM
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Doesn't sound like much of a pirate
used four bars of the song
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"They have stolen a song, so they have to pay the value of the song." 4 bars of a song = "stolen a song"? Darrell Spice, Jr. [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
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Post #234,900
11/18/05 3:07:09 PM
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Vanilla Ice Sings The Dings.
"Ice, Ice Baby" vs. "Under Pressure"
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #234,910
11/18/05 3:38:04 PM
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Must be part of why the RIAA doesn't comprehend fair use
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Post #234,912
11/18/05 3:43:48 PM
8/21/07 6:15:10 AM
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That's a whole hook
and a hook can be worth millions.
Its total piracy. Consider that the signature guitar riff for Satisfaction is only two bars - what was that worth?
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #234,915
11/18/05 4:15:19 PM
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IMNAM
I am not a musician.
I know what a note is.
I know what a chord is.
But, in simple terms, what a bar?
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #234,917
11/18/05 4:18:15 PM
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IWAM
I was a musician.
A "bar" is, in "common" time (4/4 time), 4 beats.
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvani
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Post #234,919
11/18/05 4:21:48 PM
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AKA a Measure.
At dictionary.reference.com the entry for [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bar|bar] says measure. For [link|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=measure|measure], it says bar.
To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion...
HTH! :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who figures a bar is 4 notes in the case of 4/4 time and 16 notes in 16/16 time. Or something like that.)
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Post #234,922
11/18/05 4:42:08 PM
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So then using 4 notes to the bar
I could write a song using all possible combinations and shut down the music industry. Running the scale 3 octaves produces 12 notes. 21 ** 4 = 194,481 combinations.
There's got to be something more involved than this.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #234,932
11/18/05 5:10:39 PM
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Yeah. Lawyers.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #234,933
11/18/05 5:11:18 PM
8/21/07 6:15:53 AM
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4 beats - not notes
The most common note is a quarter note, this is true, however half notes take 2 beats, whole notes 4 beats, dotted notes take 1.2 times whatever time period they would normally occupy (IIRC - its been a long time since I was a competent dot follower) etc.
So going to back to the riff for Satisfaction in tablature:
E-|-----------------------------------------------------------|
B-|-----------------------------------------------------------|
G-|-----------------------------------------------------------|
D-|-----------------------------------------------------------|
A-|-2--2----2--4--5----5--5--4--2--2--------------------------|
E-|-----------------------------------------------------------|
it is quarter half quarter quarter half quarter quarter quarter quarter quarter
Timing of notes is just as important as pitch in determining recognizability/melody.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #235,248
11/20/05 9:28:04 PM
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A small division within the music of a useful size.
It's semi-arbitrary. In a song where the chords change regularly and evenly, they often correspond with a bar, a bit less often two bars or half a bar. Is usually makes up 4 notes of the "normal" length for that piece, but this is not adhered to as time signatures can be any size. But 4 is typical. A march is 4/4 (literally, four quarter notes per bar). A waltz is 3/4 (three quarter notes).
The "normal" note length depends on how the melody is written. Something like Beethoven's fifth has an overwhelmingly majority of notes all the same length (a quarter note). Something from Madonna will have a much wider variation of note lengths.
Bars are often grouped, though there's no notation for that. A song phrase (e.g. a single 'line') will often be 4 or 8 bars. A song section, say, a verse or a chorus, will often have a multiple of four bars - e.g. 12, 16, 20, etc. A 'long' note or a pause at the end of a chorus, for example, is likely to be an extra bar. You can sometimes feel the rhythm of the song take a double-step when that happens.
It's quite tricky to explain if you don't read music. :-)
Wade, who is a muso, if you hadn't realized.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #235,255
11/20/05 10:48:07 PM
11/20/05 10:54:34 PM
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But not entirely arbitrary
Traditionally the strongest beat is the first in a bar. Arranged from strongest to weakest, in normal 4/4 time the peaks are at notes 1, 3, 2 and 4. In 3/4 time the peaks are 1, 2, and 3, with 2 and 3 about the same strength. Think "waltz". In 2/2 time those strong peaks from 4/4 time are even. In 8/8 time every 8'th peak is stronger. And so on.
People don't, of course, religiously stick to that. But that's the trend, so an experienced musician can hear the difference between 2/2, 4/4 and 8/8 even though they are theoretically different ways of writing the same thing.
Note that I said "traditionally". One common trend for new genres of music is to deliberately turn previously established conventions on their head. For instance in jazz there are a lot of syncopated rhythms. All that syncopated means is that the emphasis is where you don't expect it to be. So 4/4 in jazz is likely to see peaks at 2, 4, 1 and then 3. So the beat is off from where you'd expect it.
So who would notice? It turns out that virtually everyone does! It may take a musician to tell you what's different, but you know that something is as soon as you hear it. (Note, even though the emphasis is wrong, you can still locate the chords because that's where words tend to start, instruments come in, etc. A lot of boundaries in the music line up along chord boundaries, so you get lots of audible reminders that you're "off".)
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Edited by ben_tilly
Nov. 20, 2005, 10:52:57 PM EST
Edited by ben_tilly
Nov. 20, 2005, 10:54:34 PM EST
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Post #234,971
11/18/05 7:16:56 PM
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Yup, think Beethoven 5th: dot_dot_dot_dash; or old NBC triad
Why, in WW-II fascist havens - merely playing, humming, thinking the Beethoven riff could get you dead. For newbies: That be Morse for V, as in victory - implicitly for 'the Allies'. Three sounds == Defiance! Better than a Bronx cheer...
Matter seems as ephemeral as a Logo\ufffd; dependent upon who's (living or deeded) ox is gored, and upon that mindset which places $value on every imaginable tiny intangible -- mindless-Capitalism strangling its acolytes in the crib.
Until the (R)evolution.
Y.P.B.\ufffd - 10\ufffd/utterance or We'll Visit your House.
satisfiction? - grace period...
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Post #234,991
11/18/05 8:24:02 PM
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Remember how they copyrighted "Happy Birthday"?
not too long ago? The mere singing of it on the airwaves constituted the necessity of payment to someone or other. (too lazy to look it up) If memory serves me correctly, I was watching Letterman and they sang it to him or a guest. Paul Schaeffer blithely apologized and said "What the hell!"
Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,993
11/18/05 8:30:28 PM
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Nononono
You got it backwards.
It was copyrighted a LONG time ago.
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You|http://en.wikipedia....y_Birthday_to_You]
The lyrics were copyrighted in 1935, 11 years before Patty's death, and the ownership has swapped hands in multi-million dollar deals ever since; the copyright is currently owned by Time Warner (a subsidiary of which bought the rights in 1988) and is scheduled to expire in 2030. It thus follows that unauthorized public performances of the song are technically illegal. It is not completely certain who wrote the lyrics to "Happy Birthday to You."
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Post #234,994
11/18/05 8:34:26 PM
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Linky.
[link|http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp|Snopes]. A great site for debunking (or confirming) urban legends.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #235,045
11/19/05 1:16:27 AM
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a better birthday song
Happy Birthday by Tom Chapin (on the Moonboat CD)
Traditional, Melody is "Mary Widow Waltz" by Franz Lehar
Happy birthday, happy birthday we love you
Happy birthday and may all your dreams come true
When you blow out the candles one light stays aglow
That's the love light in your eyes where e'er you go
for our birthdays we pop in the CD and crank it up... :-)
(one more time, for eveyone who has a birthday, this year - t chapin)
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #235,061
11/19/05 7:58:26 AM
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I think They Might Be Giants nailed it...
... with [link|http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=12912364&s=143444&i=12912194|Older]. (It's not at the Autralian iTMS. How rude!)
You're older than you've ever been and now your even older,
and now you're even older,
and now you're even older,
you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older,
and now,
you're older,
still...
So, not necessarily a birthday song, but heck, I use it as one :-) Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #235,114
11/19/05 12:07:18 PM
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And I prefer...
[link|http://www.faqs.org/faqs/music/birthday-dirge-faq/|http://www.faqs.org/...rthday-dirge-faq/]
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #235,133
11/19/05 1:48:37 PM
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Thanks Ben, For Another Depends(tm) Moment!
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #235,199
11/20/05 1:38:18 AM
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Each new candle in your cake / Brings you close to your wake
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Post #235,207
11/20/05 3:07:03 AM
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Happy Birth-day - Happy Birth-day
Burning cites in your wake
Like the candles on your cake...
Happy Birth-day - Happy Birth-day
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #235,379
11/21/05 5:27:12 PM
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Pink Floyd's "Time."
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Post #235,381
11/21/05 5:35:01 PM
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Yahbut - my twisted mind heard this:
THE BIRTHDAY DIRGE
tune: "Volga Boatmen"
Happy Birthday! <thud!> Happy Birthday! <thud!>
1. Now you've aged another year
Now you know that Death is near
Happy Birthday! <thud!> Happy Birthday! <thud!>
2. Children dying far and near
Women crying in despair
3. Death, destruction, and despair
People dying everywhere
4. Typhoid, plague and polio
Coffins lined up in a row
5. Now that you're the age you are
Your demise cannot be far
6. Pestilence has struck your town
You yourself feel quite run-down
7. Birthdays come but once a year
Marking time as Death draws near
8. Long ago your hair turned grey
Now it's falling out, they say
9. Burn the castle and storm the keep
Kill the women, but save the sheep
10. Indigestion's what you get
From the enemies you 'et
11. May the candles on your cake
Burn like cities in your wake.
12. They stole your sword, your gold, your house
Took your sheep but not your spouse
13. This one lesson you must learn
First you pillage, then you burn
14. While you eat your birthday stew
We will loot the town for you,
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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