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Post #234,878

by jb4

11/18/05 12:55:48 PM

A-fscking-men

(Although as a newly minted FT employee, I may have to reconsider that last statement...;-) )

jb4
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Post #234,887

by tuberculosis

11/18/05 1:17:12 PM

8/21/07 6:14:25 AM

Careful not to generalize

I've been all 3 - consultant, contractor, and FT. The grass is always greener blah blah blah. In all cases I think I felt like I and my compatriots were the only ones getting real work done.

"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush

Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:14:25 AM EDT

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Post #235,156

by CRConrad

11/19/05 4:54:15 PM

Actually, I don't understand the difference.

The way Peter (and often others) goes on about "consultants", one gets the impression he's talking about *management* consultants. Maybe they only *call* us "consultants", while we actually *are* what you guys call "contractors"?

Anyway, I've never seen anybody *called* "contractor" in the Finnish or Swedish IT labour markets... The way I've seen the word used before -- pretty much everywhere *except* in discussions like this -- I thought a contractor was (traditionally) the guy who built your house for you (and more recently, a mercenary in Iraq).

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(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)

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Post #235,162

by broomberg

11/19/05 5:19:09 PM

Same name for different jobs

Consultant - one who is not a full time employee. Is brought in because inhouse people are either not trusted, don't have the required skillset, or are out of time. Can be management, architect, designer, or actual coder.

Contracter - Same damn thing EXCEPT is usually not management.

Post #235,163

by CRConrad

11/19/05 5:32:04 PM

Ah, OK, thanks. (Yet another proof natural language sucks.)

Post #235,179

by imric

11/19/05 7:09:47 PM

*chuckle*

Still liike mine better - contractors do, consultants tell you what to do...

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Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #235,182

by drewk

11/19/05 7:55:12 PM

Maybe Scott still has that IT hierarchy list from way back

I've got a printout from the original IWE forum that I had posted at my cube.

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Post #235,189

by ben_tilly

11/19/05 9:45:05 PM

There is a different connotation

It is generally expected that consultants are more likely to take an active role in defining their task, while contractors are more likely to be doing a task that someone else has already laid out for them.

Of course the line between these two is vague. And any resulting expectations are often violated in both directions.

But that's why contracters are usually not management. It is assumed that management has a role in figuring out what needs to be done, which means that it isn't a contract position.

Cheers,
Ben

I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Got a new one - So long, Larry! - (CRConrad) - (40) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:12:40 AM EST

I hope it works out well for you! -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:15:06 AM EST

Enjoy! - (pwhysall) - (17) - Nov. 16, 2005, 03:16:38 AM EST

Bah!We consultants are often the ONLY ones who do real work! -NT - (CRConrad) - (16) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:15:38 AM EST

Roflcopter! -NT - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2005, 05:52:41 AM EST

Copter? Bah - you're only trying to find something... - (CRConrad) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2005, 07:28:31 AM EST

That's the consultants in the meeting room - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:00:34 AM EST

/me wipes coffee from my screen. -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:41:38 AM EST

ICLPRD (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:58:25 PM EST

Consultants consult - - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 09:24:00 AM EST

They consult? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 09:27:50 AM EST

We don't touch the biscuits - (jbrabeck) - Nov. 16, 2005, 09:30:08 AM EST

A-fscking-men - (jb4) - (7) - Nov. 18, 2005, 12:55:48 PM EST

Careful not to generalize - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:14:25 AM EDT

Actually, I don't understand the difference. - (CRConrad) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2005, 04:54:15 PM EST

Same name for different jobs - (broomberg) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:19:09 PM EST

Ah, OK, thanks. (Yet another proof natural language sucks.) -NT - (CRConrad) - Nov. 19, 2005, 05:32:04 PM EST

*chuckle* - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2005, 07:09:47 PM EST

Maybe Scott still has that IT hierarchy list from way back - (drewk) - Nov. 19, 2005, 07:55:12 PM EST

There is a different connotation - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2005, 09:45:05 PM EST

Cool, Data Warehousing people totally rock! :-) -NT - (Meerkat) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 04:17:25 AM EST

Yabut.. I applied as a forklift operator - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2005, 05:55:42 PM EST

ICLRPD - (Silverlock) - Nov. 19, 2005, 12:24:36 AM EST

Oy! Have a great time at the new digs. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 16, 2005, 07:56:53 AM EST

Good luck, CRC! - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 16, 2005, 07:57:01 AM EST

Can you describe the company for me? - (broomberg) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:16:28 AM EST

Sure: Small Finnish DW consultancy house. - (CRConrad) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:30:06 AM EST

You mean... - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 12:58:02 PM EST

It's Marc A-worship; all about the *browser*, "Mosaic". HTH! -NT - (CRConrad) - Nov. 19, 2005, 04:30:49 PM EST

Congrats! -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 16, 2005, 10:42:11 AM EST

Best fishes on your new gig. - (imqwerky) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:23:26 AM EST

Thank you. Yeah, there's pike, mackerel, bass, tuna... - (CRConrad) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:22:29 AM EST

You get "Monk" over there? - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2005, 10:27:25 AM EST

'grats. - (Silverlock) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:49:12 AM EST

bon chance! Moving gigs is always fun :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:54:50 PM EST

And you've had more fun than most here. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 16, 2005, 01:52:57 PM EST

congrats -NT - (cforde) - Nov. 17, 2005, 03:22:49 AM EST

..just as long as you - (Ashton) - Nov. 17, 2005, 05:17:03 AM EST

Sorry this is so late- - (bionerd) - Nov. 17, 2005, 12:33:29 PM EST

Awright, Christian! - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 12:54:15 PM EST

Yup; that's my non-work ISP. (Well, one of them.) -NT - (CRConrad) - Nov. 19, 2005, 04:28:12 PM EST

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