Post #234,407
11/16/05 3:12:40 AM
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Got a new one - So long, Larry!
As of yesterday, I work for [link|http://www.zenpark.fi/|ZenPark Oy], so please don't anybody try to send me e-mail at Oracle any more.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #234,408
11/16/05 3:15:06 AM
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I hope it works out well for you!
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,409
11/16/05 3:16:38 AM
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Enjoy!
Still consluting, or have you chosen to do actual work?
Peter
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Post #234,421
11/16/05 5:15:38 AM
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Bah!We consultants are often the ONLY ones who do real work!
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Post #234,422
11/16/05 5:52:41 AM
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Roflcopter!
Peter
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Post #234,423
11/16/05 7:28:31 AM
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Copter? Bah - you're only trying to find something...
...to blame that fap-fap-fap-type sound on!
;-)
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #234,427
11/16/05 8:00:34 AM
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That's the consultants in the meeting room
I think one of them just shifted paradigm; it'll take ages to get out of the carpet.
Peter
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Post #234,451
11/16/05 10:41:38 AM
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/me wipes coffee from my screen.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #234,779
11/17/05 9:58:25 PM
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ICLPRD (new thread)
Created as new thread #234778 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=234778|ICLPRD]
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #234,440
11/16/05 9:24:00 AM
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Consultants consult -
CONTRACTORS work...
Congrats and have fun at your new digs!
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #234,441
11/16/05 9:27:50 AM
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They consult?
I thought they just turned up, ate all the biscuits, left a huge bill, and buggered off again.
Peter
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Post #234,442
11/16/05 9:30:08 AM
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We don't touch the biscuits
Just the donuts,bagels, coffee, and candy.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #234,878
11/18/05 12:55:48 PM
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A-fscking-men
(Although as a newly minted FT employee, I may have to reconsider that last statement...;-) )
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #234,887
11/18/05 1:17:12 PM
8/21/07 6:14:25 AM
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Careful not to generalize
I've been all 3 - consultant, contractor, and FT. The grass is always greener blah blah blah. In all cases I think I felt like I and my compatriots were the only ones getting real work done.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #235,156
11/19/05 4:54:15 PM
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Actually, I don't understand the difference.
The way Peter (and often others) goes on about "consultants", one gets the impression he's talking about *management* consultants. Maybe they only *call* us "consultants", while we actually *are* what you guys call "contractors"?
Anyway, I've never seen anybody *called* "contractor" in the Finnish or Swedish IT labour markets... The way I've seen the word used before -- pretty much everywhere *except* in discussions like this -- I thought a contractor was (traditionally) the guy who built your house for you (and more recently, a mercenary in Iraq).
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #235,162
11/19/05 5:19:09 PM
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Same name for different jobs
Consultant - one who is not a full time employee. Is brought in because inhouse people are either not trusted, don't have the required skillset, or are out of time. Can be management, architect, designer, or actual coder.
Contracter - Same damn thing EXCEPT is usually not management.
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Post #235,163
11/19/05 5:32:04 PM
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Ah, OK, thanks. (Yet another proof natural language sucks.)
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Post #235,179
11/19/05 7:09:47 PM
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*chuckle*
Still liike mine better - contractors do, consultants tell you what to do...
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #235,182
11/19/05 7:55:12 PM
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Maybe Scott still has that IT hierarchy list from way back
I've got a printout from the original IWE forum that I had posted at my cube.
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Post #235,189
11/19/05 9:45:05 PM
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There is a different connotation
It is generally expected that consultants are more likely to take an active role in defining their task, while contractors are more likely to be doing a task that someone else has already laid out for them.
Of course the line between these two is vague. And any resulting expectations are often violated in both directions.
But that's why contracters are usually not management. It is assumed that management has a role in figuring out what needs to be done, which means that it isn't a contract position.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,417
11/16/05 4:17:25 AM
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Cool, Data Warehousing people totally rock! :-)
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #234,954
11/18/05 5:55:42 PM
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Yabut.. I applied as a forklift operator
- and they said I was underqualified :(
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Post #235,031
11/19/05 12:24:36 AM
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ICLRPD
Data Warehousing people totally rock! -----------------------------------------
No new taxes.
--George H. W. Bush
We don't torture.
--George W. Bush
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Post #234,424
11/16/05 7:56:53 AM
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Oy! Have a great time at the new digs. :-)
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Post #234,425
11/16/05 7:57:01 AM
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Good luck, CRC!
Once a stockholder, I gave up on Larry several years ago.
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #234,431
11/16/05 8:16:28 AM
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Can you describe the company for me?
I can't read the language, and babelfish output often confuses me.
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Post #234,665
11/17/05 10:30:06 AM
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Sure: Small Finnish DW consultancy house.
Two bases: Founded in the town of Jyväskylä, but with the newer office in Espoo (next to Helsinki) having grown to the same size; something just under twenty people at each location at the moment, I think.
Specialises in DW / BI projects (which is what I am going to do), especially at the Espoo office; also a .NET practice, at Jyväskylä, which apparently grew out of the Delphi business the company once began with, but which is now of declining importance to the bottom line (sigh).
(And, as I mentioned to Amy, the "Oy" in the name has nothing to do with Jiddisch or the Mosaic faith, in case that's what you were wondering. :-)
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #234,880
11/18/05 12:58:02 PM
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You mean...
...There's a whole religion based on cementing tiny colored tiles to walls and things like that?
Will wonders never cease?!?
jb4
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Post #235,154
11/19/05 4:30:49 PM
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It's Marc A-worship; all about the *browser*, "Mosaic". HTH!
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Post #234,452
11/16/05 10:42:11 AM
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Congrats!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #234,460
11/16/05 11:23:26 AM
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Best fishes on your new gig.
Any job that has "Zen" and "Oy" in the name has to be good ;0)
Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,663
11/17/05 10:22:29 AM
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Thank you. Yeah, there's pike, mackerel, bass, tuna...
Sorry -- I mean, oy vey, oy vey -- but this "Oy" is just Finnish for "Inc" or "Co" or something. Actually, come to think of it, I suppose it must mean "Ltd".
'T'would have been cool, though... I get visions of something kind of related to Kellerman's "Rabbi" mysteries, but set in Tokyo and with a half-Japanese/half-gaijin Jewish Zen Monk (not Adrian) as the sleuth.
Hmm... Time to sharpen a pen...?
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #234,664
11/17/05 10:27:25 AM
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You get "Monk" over there?
Sheesh, no wonder the French and some others complain about American culture taking over the world.
:-(
My wife used to like watching "Monk" but it never clicked with me. I see enough weirdness during the week that I'm not entertained by a man obsessing about knickknack symmetry....
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #234,464
11/16/05 11:49:12 AM
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'grats.
What's your title, curmudgeon at large? :)
There weren't any editing jobs at english language papers available?
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No new taxes.
--George H. W. Bush
We don't torture.
--George W. Bush
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Post #234,475
11/16/05 12:54:50 PM
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bon chance! Moving gigs is always fun :-)
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,491
11/16/05 1:52:57 PM
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And you've had more fun than most here.
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #234,630
11/17/05 3:22:49 AM
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congrats
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #234,636
11/17/05 5:17:03 AM
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..just as long as you
"Beware of all occupations requiring new clothes."
Happy almost-Solstice! (too)
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Post #234,699
11/17/05 12:33:29 PM
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Sorry this is so late-
Good on ya! Or, as they say in the greeting card biz "Best wishes on your new career endeavors."
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #234,877
11/18/05 12:54:15 PM
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Awright, Christian!
Is the addy in your .sig still accurate?
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #235,153
11/19/05 4:28:12 PM
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Yup; that's my non-work ISP. (Well, one of them.)
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