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Post #234,132 by boxley 11/14/05 6:51:35 PM Reply	took slavery 78 years and 100 or so for women to be declared people, not chattel. It took 131 years for Indians to be declaired citizens instead of Aliens born in America. Some things take time. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #234,138 by ben_tilly 11/14/05 7:06:48 PM Reply	There is a key difference Most of those things took time because making them happened required changing the Constitution. And that took time. I am not familiar which the case that made Indians citizens of the USA. On the face of it, the 14th amendment should have done the trick. However I can see how someone might argue that Indians are technically foreign nations and therefore are not under the jurisdiction of the USA. (Note: I'm not saying that this argument is correct, just that I can see how it could be made.) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #234,151 by boxley 11/14/05 8:36:16 PM Reply	Indians inhabit sovreign nations with US borders it was an act of congress that made them citizens of the USA as well. I dont know the root cause off of the top of my head but suspect someone needed a boatload of beholdin votes in a remote area to do some skulklduggery. :-) thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #234,184 by ben_tilly 11/14/05 11:08:11 PM Reply	In that case my point stands There is a difference between creating new law or amendments to the Constitution and figuring out how the Constitution should be read. If it is obvious, then it should take little time to read the Constitution and see that fact. OTOH we still have the state of West Virginia around even though its creation was extremely dubious constitutionally speaking. (Read, was plainly wrong.) So not all things that are obvious happen right away. (Or ever, I don't think that West Virginia will ever merge with Virginia.) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #234,195 by Ashton 11/15/05 2:25:30 AM 11/15/05 4:13:35 AM Reply	Merging Nevada with Calif. was once considered - hearsay from PBS - on Vegas. Heh, another parallel - as Vegas was recreated as the magnet for every petty to Grand crook, booted outta towns from Wisconsin to Fla (if you can be That corrupt..) Ditto Iraq - Terrierist Haven created by the class of natives what brung us Las Vegas. The Constitution - wave it around like a Christian Bible; congratulate selves on a) them hoary principles b) on one's piety and then, c) be Muricans: ignore whatever is inconvenient; cheat, rob the marks blind. And onto d) We're all Romans now. Spargendo la democrazia (Spreading Democracy) Love. It. opty Edited by Ashton Nov. 15, 2005, 04:13:35 AM EST Expand All History
Post #234,197 by Andrew Grygus 11/15/05 2:47:00 AM Reply	Actually, part of Nevada is California . . . . . due to a surveying error. Both state governments have decided to ignore the correction for now because it would place certain businesses illegal in California on the wrong side of the border. Correction would be economically disasterous to the local community. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #234,281 by jb4 11/15/05 2:55:34 PM Reply	And, of course, We all know (or, at least two of us know) that the [link\|http://dchieftain.com/news/news10_05142003.html\|central part of New Mexico] is not part of New Mexico, and is therefore not part of the union. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT

Alito against abortion - (andread) - (31) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:27:35 AM EST

WT figures that's a mark in his favor. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:35:48 AM EST

Not that much of a stretch - (bepatient) - (27) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:42:28 AM EST

of course it is constitutionally protected - (boxley) - (26) - Nov. 14, 2005, 12:33:25 PM EST

Protection by exclusion - (bepatient) - (17) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:20:03 PM EST

The people. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:31:10 PM EST

Correct. - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 01:47:25 PM EST

Correct. Amendment 9 gives us a right to ... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:03:33 PM EST

and machine gun alito will get it for us :-) -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:20:05 PM EST

Was thinking of Ten - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 02:14:14 PM EST

Powers are not rights :-) - (boxley) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:19:31 PM EST

I gotcha - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2005, 03:37:38 PM EST

Who are you, and what have you done with daBox? -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:18:11 PM EST

daBox always needs to know daLaw :-) -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:25:56 PM EST

Coming in late - (jake123) - (7) - Nov. 15, 2005, 02:55:22 PM EST

well why cant you sell a kidney on the open market? -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 02:59:02 PM EST

Monopoly granted to professional medical associations. - (jake123) - Nov. 15, 2005, 03:05:49 PM EST

You mean on Ebay? - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:34:54 PM EST

Heard of eminent domain? Wasn't there just a USSC ruling? -NT - (drewk) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:18:34 PM EST

Re: Heard of eminent domain? Wasn't there just a USSC rulin - (jake123) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:35:48 PM EST

Not true - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 06:00:42 PM EST

Follow-up... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 16, 2005, 12:39:34 PM EST

Of course??? - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:36:19 PM EST

took slavery 78 years - (boxley) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:51:35 PM EST

There is a key difference - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2005, 07:06:48 PM EST

Indians inhabit sovreign nations with US borders - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2005, 08:36:16 PM EST

In that case my point stands - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2005, 11:08:11 PM EST

Merging Nevada with Calif. was once considered - - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:13:35 AM EST

Actually, part of Nevada is California . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 02:47:00 AM EST

And, of course, - (jb4) - Nov. 15, 2005, 02:55:34 PM EST

If Ed Meese was his mentor.. and he gets in - - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2005, 06:56:54 PM EST

Then he shouldn't have one -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:01:38 AM EDT

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