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New Any specific exclusion should be frowned upon
yes.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New How about groups that promote violence and killing?
Of course, that would encompass not only the armed forces, but the Republican Party and the 700 Club.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New or democrats depending on your point of view
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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New Was wondering where that was headed
yeah...them too.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Political parties are not businesses either.
So you mean that if business is allowed to recruit, ANY ORGANISATION AT ALL should be allowed to recruit - just clarifying here...
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Are they paying now?
I didn't get my check, in that case.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Yes you did. $300.00
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New That was my money
early loan repayment was all that was.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New How about Al Qaida? CPUSA?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New What, trying to find somebody I don't like?
So that I'll capitulate to your groupthink mentality?

I'm arguing for one already, why would I change my mind for these others.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New Nope. Just testing your metal. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Then here's one for you.
North American Man/Boy Love Association.
Alex

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
New You're right
don't like them.

But there's also scoutmasters and priests
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New NCLB Sec 9525 covers the Boy Scouts.
[link|http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html|No Child Left Behind]. Scroll down to section 9525 - it's the "Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act".

So they don't have anything to worry about...

Cheers,
Scott.
New Section HOW MANY?!?
No law, in anything resembling a Democracy (even if in name only) should have 9525 sections!
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

Expand Edited by jb4 Nov. 16, 2005, 01:40:15 PM EST
New It's not that bad.
[link|http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/index.html|Almost], but not quite. It's better than, say, Title VI, Part XI, Sec 13, Subparagraph J2(ii), isn't it?

Cheers,
Scott.
     Bill O'Reilly supports terrorists - (andread) - (185)
         Only SF? - (bepatient) - (184)
             All or nothing? - (hnick) - (182)
                 Don't be a goof - (bepatient) - (181)
                     How not? - (hnick) - (180)
                         Re: How not? - (bepatient) - (179)
                             What's the death rate of BET employees? - (broomberg) - (93)
                                 Black helicopters on way from Ft. Dix to Barry's house. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                 So no police, fire and first responders either? -NT - (bepatient) - (20)
                                     Unlikely - (broomberg) - (19)
                                         Oh dear - (bepatient) - (18)
                                             There you go again - (broomberg) - (17)
                                                 I have in several posts - (bepatient) - (16)
                                                     Fine - (broomberg) - (12)
                                                         Until then - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                             In HS, they aren't 'people'; they are CHILDREN. -NT - (Ashton) - (10)
                                                                 Actually, no - (broomberg) - (9)
                                                                     Nice ad-hom - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                         While they can't sign until adults - (broomberg) - (7)
                                                                             What I've said - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                                 McDonald's doesn't train kids to kill or be killed - (imqwerky) - (5)
                                                                                     just blow the wrong gender and instant discharge - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                         pun intended? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                                                                                             nope, just unintended brilliance! :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                     Thank you for proving my point - (bepatient)
                                                                                     Sorta depends on who you ask... - (jb4)
                                                     Re: I have in several posts - (jb4) - (2)
                                                         Look. - (bepatient)
                                                         Technically not illegal - (Simon_Jester)
                                 Put it another way... - (pwhysall) - (67)
                                     Then no police and no correctional officers - (bepatient) - (66)
                                         Sounds fair enough to me. -NT - (pwhysall) - (65)
                                             So then you feel comfortable - (bepatient) - (64)
                                                 Yes, basically. - (pwhysall) - (49)
                                                     Difference of opinion, then. - (bepatient) - (48)
                                                         No-one's options are being limited by my point of view. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                             The brush is a bit broad - (hnick)
                                                         Ya know, Bill... - (jb4) - (45)
                                                             Re: Ya know, Bill... - (bepatient) - (44)
                                                                 There is another POV on this. - (mmoffitt) - (42)
                                                                     You're qualifying again - (bepatient) - (38)
                                                                         Private != State != Federal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                                                             And you continue - (bepatient) - (19)
                                                                                 It's about States autonomy from this pov. - (mmoffitt) - (18)
                                                                                     No it isn't. - (bepatient) - (17)
                                                                                         Again, this time with feeling. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                                                                                             You are mixing things up - (bepatient)
                                                                                             If the Federal Government really wants to, they can - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                                                                 They can raise armies as needed, but pussy communists - (boxley) - (6)
                                                                                                     why don't you tell us what you really feel box. - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                         pussy communists, where the army cant be used in the US - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                             :-) -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                             What are you on about? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                                                 rent a movie called tank -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                     That '84 Maverick flick? ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                 "by any means necessary" is implied, then? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                                     Not quite ANY means.. - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                                                         Has that ever been challenged? Did any State try to opt out? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                             not since 1865 -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                 Thanks. I meant USSC cases. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                             Yes, and I do not know - (ben_tilly)
                                                                                         Red Herring alert number 2581 (or so) - (jb4)
                                                                         But, must everybody be allowed to recruit if the Fed is? -NT - (imric) - (16)
                                                                             Any specific exclusion should be frowned upon - (bepatient) - (15)
                                                                                 How about groups that promote violence and killing? - (imric) - (6)
                                                                                     or democrats depending on your point of view -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                     Was wondering where that was headed - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                         Political parties are not businesses either. - (imric) - (3)
                                                                                             Are they paying now? - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                 Yes you did. $300.00 -NT - (imric) - (1)
                                                                                                     That was my money - (bepatient)
                                                                                 How about Al Qaida? CPUSA? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                                                     What, trying to find somebody I don't like? - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                                         Nope. Just testing your metal. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                         Then here's one for you. - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                                                                                             You're right - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                 NCLB Sec 9525 covers the Boy Scouts. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                     Section HOW MANY?!? - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                                                         It's not that bad. - (Another Scott)
                                                                     they take the federal dole, thats why -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                         Even that doesn't feature in my reasoning. - (bepatient)
                                                                         Not much, they aren't. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 Yes I am... - (jb4)
                                                 Um, that wouldn't be freedom. That'd be indoctrination. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                                     Next - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                         Um, that wouldn't be me. That'd be DHS. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                     like what you teach your kids :-) /me dux -NT - (boxley) - (10)
                                                         I don't teach my kids anything anymore. They teach me. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                                                             tell me about it - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                 If that's true, - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     will be 17 in Jan, link below - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Thanks. I'll give 'em a gander ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 is it pre-marital if they're not going to get married? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                                                                     Im afraid to ask :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Well, clarify that before I go show mine the pic. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 He didn't give you the whole story - (broomberg)
                                                                 Just because he doesn't believe in it . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 In the South? -NT - (imric)
                                 That's not gonna fly - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                     Indeed: SHOCK n'AWE competing with GM corner office - - (Ashton)
                             Discrimination.. we have to give that up, too? - (Ashton) - (84)
                                 Ah, I see. - (bepatient) - (83)
                                     Yeah, he *is* "SMARTER than THEM". They're KIDS. - (CRConrad) - (74)
                                         At 18, I might be smarter... - (bepatient) - (73)
                                             So you agree - (imqwerky) - (72)
                                                 Not so fast dearest - (bepatient) - (71)
                                                     Re: Not so fast dearest - (andread) - (65)
                                                         Tis a law I believe - (bepatient) - (64)
                                                             Discrimination is not created equal - (ben_tilly) - (63)
                                                                 Then you have a poor understanding of what I think - (bepatient) - (60)
                                                                     Re-read what you wrote - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                                         I am of the opinion - (bepatient) - (12)
                                                                             My understanding is... - (ben_tilly) - (11)
                                                                                 Different situation altogether - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                                     There's something basic at stake here - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                                                                                         And I'm telling you that I think its different - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                             In short, I'm wasting my breath - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                                                                 Box gave you one - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                     Yes, boxley did. But even if he didn't, you wouldn't have. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                                                         For the stated reasons - (bepatient)
                                                                                         lets try some case law shall we? - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                             Can you say where that case is from? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                                 hmm, thought I linked it, here ya go - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                     That does look applicable, thanks -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     Sophistry flying under perverse banner, Social Darwinism 101 - (Ashton) - (45)
                                                                         Sophistry ? - (bepatient) - (44)
                                                                             They can quit McDonalds - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                                                 Because it makes no difference - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                     no difference - (andread) - (2)
                                                                                         More of a limit - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                             I think some people - (Simon_Jester)
                                                                             Companies are not the same as the armed forces - (pwhysall)
                                                                             Other employers - (imric) - (37)
                                                                                 See above. -NT - (bepatient) - (36)
                                                                                     No. - (imric) - (35)
                                                                                         You continue to hunt for things - (bepatient) - (34)
                                                                                             No-one's taking any choices away, though. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                                                 Without equal access - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                     Yes, adults do know better than children. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                             Ok, how about this? - (hnick) - (30)
                                                                                                 But but but - (broomberg) - (3)
                                                                                                     Their problem. TS as it were... -NT - (hnick) - (2)
                                                                                                         I guess I needed the sign -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                                                                             Me too -NT - (hnick)
                                                                                                 I'm cool with that. - (bepatient) - (25)
                                                                                                     It was impossible to tease that out though - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                                                                         I engaged - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                             Sorry - (broomberg) - (2)
                                                                                                                 No reason for that - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                 dupe -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     If there's any 'groupthink' here, Mr. Legal Theoretician - (Ashton) - (19)
                                                                                                         conclusions should be made on rationale not gut think - (boxley)
                                                                                                         Bullpucky - (bepatient) - (17)
                                                                                                             No-one's freedom to choose has been taken away. - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                                                                                                 That is in there - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                                     It's harder to choose because it's not the same. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                                                                                         But the access to choose - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                                             By that logic... - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                                                                                 Chuckle - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                                 as a matter of fact you might have a hard time keeping them - (boxley)
                                                                                                                 either equal access for all or no access for anyone - (boxley)
                                                                                                             Suppose this was rural Nevada rather than SF. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                                                 Its a legal occupation - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                 prostitution is a venerable profession - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                                     I misread that as... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                                                                         intended this time :-} -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                             OK Beep, you've convinced me - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                                                                                 WDYHASM? -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                                     (Because it's Broken?) -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                                                 Judging by infected computers . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                 ya might want to check into title 9 etc - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                     Ya might want to actually read my post - (ben_tilly)
                                                     Now wait just a minute! - (imqwerky) - (4)
                                                         And there you go. - (bepatient)
                                                         Use the source, Q! - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             May the Source be with me! -NT - (imqwerky)
                                                         A hitch is 8 years these days. - (Another Scott)
                                     Reality check. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                         Let the attacks continue - (bepatient) - (6)
                                             So, you're saying the military doesn't mislead? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                 Not saying any such thing. - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                     Bad form. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                         And assume - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                 Wasn't a claim - (bepatient)
             The Supreme Court to weigh in on school recruiting. (new thread) - (Another Scott)

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